US State Dept Confirms: Obama “NOT” a US Citizen Prior to & in 1968

ConstitutionallySpeaking ^ | 9/24/2010 | ConstitutionallySpeaking

[patlin]

proof positive that Obama was ”NOT” a US citizen prior to & in 1968...Sept. 24, 2010

Dear Sen. Thune,

As a member of the Armed Forces Committee & member of the sub-committee on Personnel, I am imploring you to please take this seriously & take immediate action...

[wideminded]

I had a separate passport from my mother's passport, ... and I was put on my mother passport application.

I think you are probably mistaken. As far as I know it is one passport per application. As a kid I was on one of my parents passports. Since the 1968 Dunham application is a renewal, it is not clear if Barack was on her passport or not. I guess we would have to find a 1965 passport application to see how it was worded.

It seems to me that Barack Jr. probably had a separate passport from his mother. Otherwise, she would have had to file for an amended passport to remove him when she wanted to travel alone. Of course it is possible that that is one of the missing applications.

[mojitojoe]

So what? She is the governor and that was AFTER he was elected and does NOT negate what she said before she knew he would be muzziehomo in chief, .... TROLL!!! Got your knee pad on you sorry POS?

[wideminded]

By the way, note that anyone intending to fill in a name in the “Amend to exclude” box on page 2 was also supposed to check a box at the top of page 1 to indicate that they were filing for an amended passport. Stanley Ann did NOT do this.

[Red Steel]

It does NOT say that if a person renounces their citizenship you are supposed to write their name on page 2 and then strike it out.

It says that if they have renounced their citizenship you are supposed to cross out part of the statement on page 1.

You better read it again. Here it is to make it easy...

In the second paragraph. “(if any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions have been performed by or apply to the applicant, or to any other person included in the passport or documentation, the portion which applies should be struck out...)”

The “any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions” is speaking about the statement above it (paragraph 1) on page 1 that covers everything on the renewal application to include Obama’s name on page 2, and not just for only page 1.

And again here it is from page 1 right and above the Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro signature. I put the words in bold and underlined them that you should get to understand.

In paragraph 1. "I have not (and no other person included or to be included in the passport or document has), since acquiring Unites States citizenship, been naturalized as a citizen of a foreign state; taken an oath of affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...made a formal renunciation of nationality either in the United states or before..."

[Red Steel]

I think you are probably mistaken. As far as I know it is one passport per application. As a kid I was on one of my parents passports. Since the 1968 Dunham application is a renewal, it is not clear if Barack was on her passport or not. I guess we would have to find a 1965 passport application to see how it was worded.

No, there was no separate paperwork done for me as I was on her passport application. I had my own separate passport but my mother signed my passport with my name and stating that "The mother signed the passport."

[Red Steel]

LiL Jamie is such a silly troll.

[American Constitutionalist]

"There are others who believe some people believe 9/11 was an inside job." . And yes, they are the same thing. "

Even if I was not a birther, though, I am, simple logic would prove this out that the two are NOT the same thing.
No matter how much people were disappointed in Bush and called him a liberal RINO, President Bush is a America loving patriot, period !
I do not believe that the Bush administration would have carried out a plan to have 3,000 fellow Americans be killed by Islamic terrorist.
It is beyond reason to think that the Bush administration planned the 9/11 attacks.
Now the birther issue,
The liberals, the MSM, Obama hate America, period !
Knowing how the liberals are and how they lie, cheat, scam, and operate, and how the main stream media has lie to us, having been pushing their Marxist propaganda 24/7 for well over 40 years, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the DNC, Liberals, Obama, Pelosi, the media brought this scam and fraud upon the American people, so , no, it's NOT the same thing.

[wideminded]

You better read it again.

I did. I'm still right.

In the second paragraph. “(if any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions have been performed by or apply to the applicant, or to any other person included in the passport or documentation, the portion which applies should be struck out...)”

The “any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions” is speaking about the statement above it (paragraph 1) on page 1

That's right.

But when they say "the portion which applies should be struck out", they OBVIOUSLY ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT PARAGRAPH 1 AND ONLY PARAGRAPH 1, not about striking out stuff all over the application.

I know that it's going to be hard for you guys to admit you were wrong after going out on a limb about this. But you're not helping LTC Lakin here and your interpretation of the instructions is absurd.

Here's a test: Find an intelligent person who is not emotionally involved in this issue. Have them read the application, and without telling them your opinion, ask them what the instructions in paragraph 2 mean.

OBVIOUSLY, anyone, in filling out a passport application, might make a mistake and cross something out. Does that always mean they are renouncing their US citizenship. No, that would be ABSURD.

BTW I think the Soebarkah name is real interesting and might even have something to do with an adoption by Lolo. But this application does not in itself prove that Obama was adopted or renounced his citizenship. There will have to be additional documentation to show that.

[Plummz]

Did Lakin or his counsel ever ask the military for Obama’s draft records?

[j.argese]

Oh, so pointing out the link between Birtherism and political events is trolling? Why don’t you look back at stimulus, Obamacare, Sotomayor and Kagan? Supposedly intelligent people blaming others for their own intellectual shortcomings is not a conservative trait. But hey, it’s easier to cry “Troll”, than it is to admit being one of the easily distracted.

[butterdezillion]

Another point is that if BHO and SAD were married at the time she gave birth - as the HDOH records seem to indicate -the BC would automatically list BHO as the father. If they weren’t married when Obama was born they could get the BC changed to say that they were through the process of legitimation.

Obama’s lawyers have talked about the potential embarrassment but there is nothing on the COLB especially (which he and the HDOH refuse to release - even a non-certified copy which is required to be public upon request) which would “embarrass” Obama unless it exposed his ineligibility or that he’s been lying about his history all along. All the typically “embarrassing” scenarios like illegitimacy, sex change, etc can be hidden legally without any amendment involved because a new BC is created and swapped out for the “embarrassing” one, which is then sealed and can only be opened by a court order.

[SvenMagnussen]

1968 School Record: Indonesian National

[Red Steel]

OBVIOUSLY, anyone, in filling out a passport application, might make a mistake and cross something out. Does that always mean they are renouncing their US citizenship. No, that would be ABSURD.

Under the circumstances from all we know, it was likely a clumsy attempt by Dunham Soetoro to get Obama jr a US passport without proper documentation. She was a little con-artist

BTW I think the Soebarkah name is real interesting and might even have something to do with an adoption by Lolo. But this application does not in itself prove that Obama was adopted or renounced his citizenship. There will have to be additional documentation to show that.

Obama likely never had a US citizenship. We're still waiting for him to cough up that birth certificate that he has plastered to his forehead.

[PA-RIVER]

They have to twist into pretzels to get Obama out of this one.

The instructions look pretty clear to me. Strike out anyone who gave up citizenship. Obama is meticulously struck out. He is being removed from an existing passport. I think this is a renewal application? Right? So he has to be removed with reason. So you dont just “Forget” to put him on the document. You put him on and strike him out. You don't black it out or cross it out. You follow the instructions, and strike out the foreign citizen that needs to be removed.

[Red Steel]

Yeah, striking Obama from the passport would be the way and it is a renewal application.

As you may recall, Obama was traveling in the Far East at the time and living in Indonesia. So if he didn’t have a US passport what passport was he traveling on? An Indonesian passport or maybe he even had a Kenyan passport or both? ... He likely had an Indonesian passport.

[fml]

Why does it seem the air is thick with Birthers whenever real conservatives are prepared to make great advances politically? Something about distractions. Check the party affiliations of honcho Birthers and you’ll notice it ain’t Republican!

By your definition "real" conservatives hold no value in the consitution and put party before the rule of the land. Tsk tsk tks, your rino is showing

[LorenC]

So Birthers have been reduced to intentionally misreading clear legal language. I suppose this means there's no better evidence they've found to rely on.

In any case, here's what's wrong with the new Birther read on this. First, the text from the renewal application page in question:

I have not (and no other person included or to be included in the passport or documentation has), since acquiring United States citizenship, been naturalized as a citizen of a foreign state; taken an oath or made an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state; entered or served in the armed forces of a foreign states; accepted or performed the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or political subdivision thereof; voted in a political election in a foreign state...

(If any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions have been performed by or apply to the applicant, or to any person included in the passport or documentation, the portion which applies should be struck out, and a supplementary explanatory statement under oath (or affirmation) by the person to whom the portion is applicable should be attached and made a part of this application.)

And below these two paragraphs is a line where the Applicant signs to affirm the above statement as true.

Now, as should be obvious, if "any of the above-mentioned acts or conditions have been performed by or apply to the applicant" or any person included, then the applicant can't sign it as being true. So, in order to provide clarification to the passport office and to create an oath that the applicant CAN sign, the instructions are for the applicant to strike out the portion of "the above-mentioned acts or conditions" that does apply, redacting those portions of the oath, so that the applicant can then sign an edited and accurate oath.

For illustration, let's say that John Q. Citizen has an American passport, and does a lengthy study abroad program in Europe. While overseas, one of the odd jobs he takes is working for the decennial British Census. His passport comes up for expiration, so he files a renewal application (like the one the above language comes from). But he's now had employment under a foreign state. So what does he do with the application?

He doesn't go about striking out his name all over the application because he performed one of the acts listed. That's...well that's just silly. (What kind of stupid instruction would it be to fill out an application and then obscure the information just filled out?) And he can't sign the oath as-is, because it wouldn't be the truth. No, what he does is this:

I have not (and no other person included or to be included in the passport or documentation has), since acquiring United States citizenship, been naturalized as a citizen of a foreign state; taken an oath or made an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state; entered or served in the armed forces of a foreign states; accepted or performed the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or political subdivision thereof; voted in a political election in a foreign state...

...and then he attaches "a supplementary explanatory statement under oath" that explains he worked for the British Census. Now that's he's struck out the portion that does apply to him, he can honestly sign the oath.

Ann Dunham, by contrast, obviously didn't strike out any portion of the oath she signed in her renewal application. Because none of it applied to her or to anyone included in the passport.

It's really not that complicated.

[Kleon]

Not everyone was taught this. At my school we were taught that only a child born on U.S. soil of U.S. citizen parents could be President.

I find that very hard to believe, especially considering how deep birthers need to dig to find people who agree with them (as opposed to simply looking it up in Black's Law Dictionary).

[usmcobra]

When did Obama reaffirm his US Citizenship?

He has already admitted that he was a British subject, a Kenyan Citizen and this proves he was an Indonesian citizen as well.

So according to the law.....

“he does not thereby lose his citizenship in the United States provided that, on attaining majority, he elects to retain that citizenship and to return to the United States to assume its duties.”

When he reached the age of majority he was supposed to reaffirm his citizenship do you have proof he did so?

[usmcobra]

It is blatantly obvious how Obama denounced his US citizenship even as a minor.

During the adoption procedure in Indonesia, he would have been asked in the adoption court if he wanted to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro and that doing so would make him an Indonesia citizen.

Obama was adopted and took Soetoro’s last name therefore he renounced his US citizenship in an Indonesian adoption court.