Posted on 04/24/2005 6:08:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE
Southern heritage buffs vow to use the Virginia gubernatorial election as a platform for designating April as Confederate History and Heritage Month.
The four candidates have differing views on the Confederacy, an issue that has been debated for years in the commonwealth.
"We're not just a few people making a lot of noise," said Brag Bowling, a spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the oldest hereditary organization for male descendents of Confederate soldiers. "This is not a racial thing; it is good for Virginia. We're going to keep pushing this until we get it."
Each candidate recently shared his thoughts on what Mr. Bowling called a "litmus test for all politicians." Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would not support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Former state Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore would support something that recognizes everyone who lived during the Civil War.
Sen. H. Russell Potts Jr. and Warrenton Mayor George B. Fitch would support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Many past Virginia governors honored the Civil War or the Confederacy.
In 1990, former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, the nation's first black governor, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, issued a proclamation praising both sides of the war and remembering "those who sacrificed in this great struggle."
Former Govs. George Allen and James S. Gilmore III, both Republicans, issued Confederate History Month proclamations. In 2000, Mr. Gilmore replaced that proclamation with one commemorating both sides of the Civil War -- a move that enraged the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat, has refused to issue a gubernatorial decree on either side of the Civil War.
Mr. Kaine, another Democrat, would decline to issue a Confederate History and Heritage Month proclamation if he is elected governor, said his campaign spokeswoman, Delacey Skinner.
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The rancor, rage, semi-denials, and goalpost movings--undertaken in a vain attempt to refute it--will commence shortly, I suspect.
Odd that the truth would inflame some so in such a manner; but it always seems to, regardless, in these threads.
And very telling it is, that.
The day in question was a 'normal' one, Stand had called me every usual name in the book. I fired broadsides in his direction but not even close to his incoming mail. Those post should still be on here.
On my part humour was attempted, posting non-related threads to speak on different subjects, but nothing worked.
Like clock work, myself & others we blamed for 'murdering' his distant relatives during the Civil War, well that was the last straw and I told him to clam up or cool off, whatever, and since he was going on and on about Indians as well, I said 'clam up or cool off Tonto' The he exploded like an A-bomb.
If he is willing to call it a draw, I am as well. Both can parties can apology. That is no problem on my end. It takes two to tango lol
I am glad you are willing to referee on this situation.
I am willing to attempt to reduce the current levels of tension, if Stand is.
Be back later on.
Just finishing reading The Counter-Revolution of Slavery, politics and Ideology in Antebellium South Carolina by Manisha Sinha.
The book lays out the intention of the Southern slave owners to create a slave republic, South Carolina leading the way.
Here is a sample of what is in the book,
J.H. Thornwell, writing in the midst of southern reverses during the Civil War that he explained as God's trial of southern faith and punishment of pride, lamented at the prospect of defeat, "The civilized world will look coldly upon us, or even jeer us with the taunt that we deservedly lost our freedom in seeking to perpeturate the slavery of others."(p.258)....As Armstead Robinson has argued, "A war fought to protect slavery ended in its destruction and slaves whose permanent servitude was to the Confederacy's triumphant reward helped deny slaveholders the fullfillment of their most cherished dream.(p.257)
The very essence of the slave republic (the Confederacy), was racism in its most virulent form.
The war was over, Lee had surrendered and Johnston was about to do so to Sherman.
Lincoln had already visited the U.S. city of Richmond.
What Booth did was murder, pure and simple.
He destroyed the slave republic of the Confederacy, what would have been the first facist state.
The events of 1865 say otherwise.
Well, he was murdered because he defeated the slave republic of the confederacy and you guys are still upset that you can't have anymore slaves.
Your True colors are showing.
My colors are red, white and blue.
I have a country that I love, not a lost cause to weep over (no more slaves, no more slaves-it would have been such a wonderful slave republic if only those damn Yankees hadn't spoiled it all!)
They attempted to secede but failed.
They were attempting to form a slave republic and were defeated before they could do so.
The world was much better because of it.
The fact is the first gun control laws were in the South.
Thus, the myth that the South is a baston of freedom is just that, a myth.
The South only recently (after having to give up Jim Crow) has become Republican not Democratic and thus, has become freedom oriented.
Kennesaw has nothing to do with the issue of the first gun control laws, or the fact that the post Civil War South, restricted Blacks from being armed.
Stop throwing dust in the air, it doesn't change the facts
I was talking about the slave republic goverment officals, who should have been tried for treason.
Booth should have been tried (if caught) for murder.
Making a man to work for you (with the lash, and other tortue devices) and giving him just enough to live on, would in any normal persons thinking be considered theft.
You are stealing the man's labor.
Moreover, by threatening his life and forcing him to stay where he does not want to be, you are doing harm to him, which the Bible says we ought not to do (Rom.13).
Now, your arguments are the same double-talking lies that the slave republic attempted to justify its enslavement of 3million people.
Do you think you have the right (scripturally) to enslave anyone now?
If you kidnapped someone and put him your home and made him work for you and gave him room and board, would any court in the land not say you owe him for the labor he did not receive wages for?
Take your evil insanity somewhere else.
What's so incredible about that? It's TRUE. Do you assert that slavery was ILLEGAL under the US Constitution at it's inception? Do you deny that Lincoln advocated passage of a (still outstanding) Amendment that would have guaranteed permanent slavery?
Stand's very own tag-line "(being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)" is a rather bigoted declaration since it attacks the overwhelming majority of Americans.
Reading comprehension problems? Neither stand nor I have any problem with "Yankees", I have numerous friends that are yankees. What his tagline refers to are those that ignore the log in their own eye to point out the mote in ours. Known as hypocrites who relish telling Southerners just how wrong they were/are, that we have no place honouring our ancestors, or that flying the flag that they fought for freedom under is a 'rag' never to be flown.
We're an independent bunch, and resent folks like you stepping in, dancing on the graves of our noble dead, calling us and them traitors, and admonishing us for not worshiping your war criminals. I honour US Gen. McClellan - he was a decent and kind man - with him in charge the animosities remaining today would be long gone. I have no problem with the vast majority of Union soldiers, they did what they believed to be just, but I will never share in your worship of men who waged war on innocent men, women and children, nor will I ever admire a man that destroyed the voluntary union, that ordered the death of Jefferson Davis , his cabinet, and of the inhabitants of Richmond.
'Stand watie' and '4ConservativeJustices' do either one of you support the above statement from the number two man?
No. For the zillionith time, I believe that GOD created the heavens and the earth, not billions of years ago, but THOUSANDS of years ago. I have no problem believing that a God that can create the universe and mankind, and could do so INSTANTLY, and not need billions of years of evolution to do so.
I believe the Holy Word of GOD to be true and correct when He proclaimed everything to be 'good' (no death, no billions of years of evolution and little ape men rising from slime). I believe the Word of God when He states that He created man in HIS image, and that God created woman (Eve) from Adam.
I do not believe the blacks are descendants of Ham/Canaan or of some curse, nor are they creations of some alleged other creation (see #3fruitcakes old posts).
I've said it before on these threads and I say it again, we are all one blood, descendants of Adam and Eve, brothers and sisters in the eyes of God. And among those brothers and sisters - besides whites and blacks - are Arabic peoples, Asians/Orientals and Native Americans.
Now you, obviously NOT of Native American ancestry, can find no fault with your slur "Tonto", and you trot off to find a tribe named Tonto to smooth things over. Apaches are not Cherokees, so your calling sw 'Tonto' can only be construed as you intended it - a slur on his ethnicity.
i know ZILCH about that subject (as i told several people at the time i posted it!) other than what the newspaper printed.
free dixie,sw
CONFESSION of your RACIST opinions would make you look like a BIGGER person, if not a BETTER one.
free dixie,sw
In my opinion, (opinions are like bellybuttons, as everyone has one!)
like all too many others on FR, you have a habit of "making pronouncements" which are NOT factual & are backed-up by NOTHING except more blather & then expecting everyone to accept those UNsupported opinions as FACT.
free dixie,sw
IF the "admin mod" had not deleted #645, ALL could see just how RACIST m.eSPINola's attitudes ARE.
as i've said many times, "scratch a damnyankee & racist blood will flow from their veins".
the VAST MAJORITRY of northerners are NOT damnyankees, as they hate nobody, much less the south & her people. i would GUESS that DAMNyankees comprise no more than 10% of the northern population.
DAMNyankees are HATERS, who are FUNCTIONALLY no better than racists. IF they did NOT HATE the south/southerners so much,imVho, they would be some other kind of BIGOT.
free dixie,sw
otherwise, don't assume anyone (least of all, me! RACISTS have NO PLACE on FR!)here will forgive/forget.
free dixie,sw
He's probably also ignorant of the Spanish (directed towards Apaches) meaning of the word 'tonto ' - FOOL.
From http://www.bluecorncomics.com/tonto.htm
Here's a Native view of Tonto. As you can see, it's hardly benign:Tonto was everything that the white man had always wanted the Indian to be. He was a little slower, a little dumber, had much less vocabulary, and rode a darker horse.
Somehow Tonto was always there. Like the Negro butler and the Oriental gardener. Tonto represented a silent, subservient subspecies of Anglo-Saxon whose duty was to do the bidding of the all-wise white hero.
Vine Deloria Jr. (Standing Rock Sioux), Custer Died for Your Sins
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