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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: onyx; TomServo
Let's get a better look at that place; I think a lot of former posters belong!


481 posted on 01/13/2004 11:31:55 AM PST by Howlin (WARNING: If you post to me, Tard and Buttie Fred are gonna copy & paste it to LP!!!!!!!)
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To: JustPiper
Michael who? This guy sucks.
482 posted on 01/13/2004 11:31:59 AM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Hope you up on your espanol.

If you insist on abandoning English for Spanish, more power to you.

483 posted on 01/13/2004 11:32:11 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Howlin
Here's another...

WERE ALL GONNA DIE !!!
without illegals to do the jobs Americans wol'nt do.

484 posted on 01/13/2004 11:32:19 AM PST by m18436572
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To: Modernman
I guess that's where we differ. Principles are not something I care about or expect from a politician. I expect them to represent my interests.

This is quite a revealing statement. You don't care about right or wrong, just want to make sure that politicians help your cause. This mindset is what got Clinton elected twice. It's moral relativism, pure and simple.

The problem is that this republic was founded on the prerepquisite that our leaders be moral. As John Adams said, the Constitution was "written for a moral and religious people and is inadequate for the government of any other." In a nutshell, without morality, you end up with tyranny, corruption and no freedom. So, all we need is about 10 million more who think like you and we can kiss the Constitution as our founders knew it good-bye for good. And that is where we are headed at light speed.

485 posted on 01/13/2004 11:32:22 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: jim35
Jesus Wept. So, it took evil ol' GW to convert a life-long Republican to a liberal-enabler. I have freakin' well heard it all now.

Other than lip service during campaigns, when was the last time you heard GW express any regret for the tens of millions of unborn killed because of Roe v. Wade? Talk about Jesus weeping. I'll vote my conscience, thank you.

486 posted on 01/13/2004 11:32:30 AM PST by arm958
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To: hedgetrimmer
"...because if the supremes interpret the law in a way that is contrary to the will of the people and to the constitution, congress can make a law nullifying the court decision..."

Yep, that's true. So, are you the congress? Are you the supreme court? This is a republic, so you vote for your representatives, and they try to please you, for votes, and follow the constitution, as is their duty. So don't argue that each one of us is allowed to legally interpret the constitution. It's simply not true.
487 posted on 01/13/2004 11:33:26 AM PST by jim35
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To: exmarine

488 posted on 01/13/2004 11:33:51 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Howlin
LOL!!!! And while I'm at it - Hey Todd!!!
489 posted on 01/13/2004 11:33:55 AM PST by TomServo ("Why does the most evil man in the world live in a Stuckeys?")
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To: m18436572
What I fear most is turning over this country to a Howard Dean. It could happen if we allow another "read my lips" issue to shake up the party. Thankfully we don't have a Perot for these disillusioned republican voters to run to. Sadly these people that share Savages anger don't have a clue of how to handle the immigration issue themselves, and they don't know the details of what was negotiated between the U.S. and Mexico that made Bush feel it was a worthy political gamble, or how important it is to the party to have the Latino vote.
David Frums (former Bush speechwriter) book The Right Man has a whole chapter on Bush's early plans to design some kind of system for regulating the Mexican American labor relationship. A quote from the chapter "Mexican Americans were emerging as the single most powerful swing voting bloc in the U.S. elections, but one that is increasingly tilting against Bush's Republican Party. If Mexican Americans were lured to the Democratic column by the promise of more lavish social spending and racial preferences for their children in college and on the job, the Republicans would be locked out of the White House forever." Pretty scary thought. " On the other hand if Bush somehow found a way to reverse the Mexican American voting trend, he would reelect himself and bequeath a strongly competitive party to his successor."

I would not call Bush a sale-out. It was a very calculated and well thought out plan that has been in the offing since the early days of his presidency. The chapter goes into much greater detail of the settlement Bush was wanting, including helping to develop Mexico's oil rescources so that we could in time replace Arab oil with Mexican oil. Would the thought of that have the Arab sheikdom shaking in their pointy toe sandles?
490 posted on 01/13/2004 11:34:42 AM PST by USNFighting31st
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To: Modernman
That's not true, and you know it. How can a piece of paper make a decision as to its own meaning? The Constitution requires human interpretation to be anything more than a 200 year old doily. There's no magic device that reads the Constitution and perfectly tells us what it means. Unfortunately, we have to rely on (imperfect) human beings. That's just the nature of the beast.

Friend, I hate to tell you this. But you have no clue about the foundations of this country and the significance of the Constitution. It was written so that men could not rule arbitrarily, yet that is precisely what you support. Words have meaning! That is how it works. You read the words and follow them. Again, our founders said over and over that we are a nation of laws not men (Lex Rex not Rex Lex) and the Constitution represents those laws. Judges are required to follow it whether or not they disagree with it. They are not allowed to change it on their own illegal arbitary authority.

Precedents? Hahahaha. What is the precedent for Roe v. Wade? For Lawrence vs. Texas? Huh? Answer.

491 posted on 01/13/2004 11:36:00 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: JustPiper
Impeachment is a little harsh but thats because 83% of us say this is a crappy idea. You can run and hide but you cannot get away from what is about to happen if it is approved. Illegal means just that and trying to downplay that is just wrong. There is no reason not to have immigration but by God make it legal immigration. The future of America may at stake and someone on the top of the pile best pay attention to the majority.
492 posted on 01/13/2004 11:36:04 AM PST by JamesA (Stand up, stand together or die as one.)
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To: Modernman
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
--John Adams

" Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon the will and appetite is placed somewhere: and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters."
--Edmund Burke
493 posted on 01/13/2004 11:36:58 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Howlin
Hey, I think that's the Tard in the striped frock! Naw, on closer inspection, it's too thin to be Fatboy!
494 posted on 01/13/2004 11:37:11 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: USNFighting31st
"Sadly these people that share Savages anger don't have a clue of how to handle the immigration issue themselves, and they don't know the details of what was negotiated between the U.S. and Mexico that made Bush feel it was a worthy political gamble, or how important it is to the party to have the Latino vote."

Oh no? Don't make such broad and sweeping statements without reading first. I think I have a better plan as is spelled out in my post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053811/posts
495 posted on 01/13/2004 11:37:45 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: exmarine; Modernman
Again, show me these rights in the Constitution - court rulings must rely on one thing and one thing only - the Constitution.

The 9th Amendment

Aside from contending that a bill of rights was unnecessary, the Federalists responded to those opposing ratification of the Constitution because of the lack of a declaration of fundamental rights by arguing that inasmuch as it would be impossible to list all rights it would be dangerous to list some because there would be those who would seize on the absence of the omitted rights to assert that government was unrestrained as to those.

Madison adverted to this argument in presenting his proposed amendments to the House of Representatives. ''It has been objected also against a bill of rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in that enumeration; and it might follow by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard against the admission of a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that it may be guarded against. I have attempted it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the fourth resolution.''

It is clear from its text and from Madison's statement that the Amendment states but a rule of construction, making clear that a Bill of Rights might not by implication be taken to increase the powers of the national government in areas not enumerated, and that it does not contain within itself any guarantee of a right or a proscription of an infringement.

Recently, however, the Amendment has been construed to be positive affirmation of the existence of rights which are not enumerated but which are nonetheless protected by other provisions.
Source: FindLaw

496 posted on 01/13/2004 11:38:56 AM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: Modernman
There's no magic device that reads the Constitution and perfectly tells us what it means.

No there isn't. It is a sense of true Morality that is required. A recognition that there is a univeral right and wrong. That right and wrong are not cultural -they are objective and universal. Our founding fathers said this over and over. Morality is the key to survival of the Constitution and to its interpretation. At least 5 of the judges on the Supreme Court have a warped morality - that is clear.

Again, I ask you show me the right to privacy or right to sodomy in the Constitution! There is nothing to interpret - it's not there!

497 posted on 01/13/2004 11:40:33 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Texas_Dawg; BigSkyFreeper
Can you explain the differences in Reagan's 1986 amnesty plan and this one?

Sheer volume, for starters. We're looking at AMNESTY for somewhere around 25 million ILLEGAL Aliens!

Next, is the long-term, intentional dismantling of national sovereignty- something NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS DARED TO PROPOSE.

Reagan never proposed anything even close to this, in long-term damage. And that damage will be on several fronts- the economic one, the one of National Security, the area of national sovereignty and national CULTURE...

W. proposes to turn the USA into a nation-wide barrio.

498 posted on 01/13/2004 11:41:05 AM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally incompetant, or ignorant of reality.)
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To: exmarine
This is quite a revealing statement. You don't care about right or wrong, just want to make sure that politicians help your cause.

A democracy/republic as we know it today (I know you're one of those who believes that there is a difference between a Republic and a Democracy) arose in England from the middle classes, who were primarily merchants, traders and industrialists. They were bargainers and negotiators- that's what our government is about. It's a clash of interests, involving a lot of horse-trading and haggling.

Government is nothing more than a service industry. All this talk of moral leaders is nice, I suppose, but I'm looking for leaders who represent my interests. You should do the same, as should everyone else. Then we send our hired gun representatives into the arena and let them fight it out and we come up with some type of compromise we can all sort of live with.

It ain't pretty, but that's how our system works best.

499 posted on 01/13/2004 11:42:40 AM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: exmarine
Are you calling Bush tyrannical? You're pushing the libs paper for them... DU would LOVE you.
500 posted on 01/13/2004 11:44:08 AM PST by NYC Republican
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