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To: Modernman
I guess that's where we differ. Principles are not something I care about or expect from a politician. I expect them to represent my interests.

This is quite a revealing statement. You don't care about right or wrong, just want to make sure that politicians help your cause. This mindset is what got Clinton elected twice. It's moral relativism, pure and simple.

The problem is that this republic was founded on the prerepquisite that our leaders be moral. As John Adams said, the Constitution was "written for a moral and religious people and is inadequate for the government of any other." In a nutshell, without morality, you end up with tyranny, corruption and no freedom. So, all we need is about 10 million more who think like you and we can kiss the Constitution as our founders knew it good-bye for good. And that is where we are headed at light speed.

485 posted on 01/13/2004 11:32:22 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine
This is quite a revealing statement. You don't care about right or wrong, just want to make sure that politicians help your cause.

A democracy/republic as we know it today (I know you're one of those who believes that there is a difference between a Republic and a Democracy) arose in England from the middle classes, who were primarily merchants, traders and industrialists. They were bargainers and negotiators- that's what our government is about. It's a clash of interests, involving a lot of horse-trading and haggling.

Government is nothing more than a service industry. All this talk of moral leaders is nice, I suppose, but I'm looking for leaders who represent my interests. You should do the same, as should everyone else. Then we send our hired gun representatives into the arena and let them fight it out and we come up with some type of compromise we can all sort of live with.

It ain't pretty, but that's how our system works best.

499 posted on 01/13/2004 11:42:40 AM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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