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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: jeremiah
Name a single issue that would turn it for you?

Good question... I can't think of a single issue (where Bush would support anything that even the Rats propose) that would make me support Dean or Clark (which you're doing by withholding your vote) over Bush.

Bush is ALWAYS better than a Rat. Always.

461 posted on 01/13/2004 11:21:52 AM PST by NYC Republican
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To: jim35
It would lead to civil war, and in the end, probably wouldn't even end abortion. You think this would gain God's favor? I disagree, sir, most strongly. God, I believe, is working through Bush, and America is the richer for it.

Really? Did God approve of the war to end slavery in 1861? What do you think? Did he agree with the war to end the slaughter of jews in Nazi Germany? What do you think? God hates the shedding of innocent blood and he does not compromise on right and wrong. God does not tolerate murder - why should I?

462 posted on 01/13/2004 11:22:07 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: jeremiah
"... Pull off your blinders, the number one job of the Federal govt is to defend our country...... period..."

OK, you got me. Now I'm against the idea. Right, you talked me into it. Oh, wait... I've always been against this. I'm just not one of those who thinks it's akin to an invading army, and I'm not about to withhold my vote for GW because of it.
463 posted on 01/13/2004 11:22:32 AM PST by jim35
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To: jeremiah
"... Pull off your blinders, the number one job of the Federal govt is to defend our country...... period..."

OK, you got me. Now I'm against the idea. Right, you talked me into it. Oh, wait... I've always been against this. I'm just not one of those who thinks it's akin to an invading army, and I'm not about to withhold my vote for GW because of it.
464 posted on 01/13/2004 11:22:39 AM PST by jim35
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To: jeremiah
"... Pull off your blinders, the number one job of the Federal govt is to defend our country...... period..."

OK, you got me. Now I'm against the idea. Right, you talked me into it. Oh, wait... I've always been against this. I'm just not one of those who thinks it's akin to an invading army, and I'm not about to withhold my vote for GW because of it.
465 posted on 01/13/2004 11:22:44 AM PST by jim35
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To: onyx
Anyone who does not admit that open borders is a security risk is in denial. Keep whistling past the graveyard.
466 posted on 01/13/2004 11:24:05 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Howlin
Probably not to a bushbot.
467 posted on 01/13/2004 11:24:49 AM PST by m18436572
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To: Happy2BMe
"Your's is one of the most honest, sincere, and realistic answers I've seen on this subject in the hundreds I've been able to review."

Goodness, (blushing) thank you.

(I'm sorry I didn't see your kind post, I was busy stuffing a couple of pounds of Oatmeal and Cherrios down the throat of a 9 Month Old. Anyone endeavoring to have a second go-round at Partenthood in Late Middle Age is bound to have tempered emotions...depeding of course, on the decible level of the childat the time.)

Now the little fellow and I shall venture forth for a walk in this Illegal infested neighborhood. Wish us luck, from what I read here, we'll need it. I'm scared of both sides.

468 posted on 01/13/2004 11:25:28 AM PST by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party-- Proudly Pimpin' off Po' Folk since 1964)
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To: Texas_Dawg
"Have you studied economics before? Can you explain what removing 8 million workers from our economy would do to labor rates and therefore corporate profits, real income, the stock market, investment returns, etc.? Are you arguing that economically this would be a good thing?"

I am so glad you came in.

As it currently stands:
-35% of LEGALS in this country are on welfare or some form of government assistance.
-State Costs to Taxpayers are Also Soaring (1996 Net Costs % up from 1992): California: $28 billion up 35%
New York: $14 billion up 29%
Texas: $7 billion up 37%
Florida: $6 billion up 77%

This doesn't even cover the rest of this country and these are LEGALS!
http://www.carryingcapacity.org/huddlenr.html

-Replace the 8 million with those able bodied Americans currently on Welfare and in government housing. BTW those #'s are in the millions as well.

Deporting Illegals and putting a clamp on those we allow here legally that have NO EDUCATION AND NO SKILL (LEGALS!)

If you cannot put all of this together and SEE that both LEGALS and ILLEGALS in this country is bankrupting this country then you are a lost cause.

http://www.carryingcapacity.org/huddlenr.html
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/
http://www.fairus.org/ImmigrationIssueCenters/ImmigrationIssueCenters.cfm?ID=1209&c=15

Care to have anymore??
469 posted on 01/13/2004 11:25:51 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: Howlin

Home to Tard and the other banned miserables.

470 posted on 01/13/2004 11:26:17 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: m18436572
What an original reply; how ever did you think of it.
471 posted on 01/13/2004 11:26:49 AM PST by Howlin (WARNING: If you post to me, Tard and Buttie Fred are gonna copy & paste it to LP!!!!!!!)
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To: NYC Republican
Bush is ALWAYS better than a Rat. Always.

Yes, people will ALWAYS choose tyranny over chaos.

472 posted on 01/13/2004 11:26:59 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"...Hope you up on your espanol..."


A little too much doom and gloom here, I think. These people are already here, and I still don't habla espaniol.
473 posted on 01/13/2004 11:27:51 AM PST by jim35
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To: AbsoluteJustice
"...Hope you up on your espanol..."


A little too much doom and gloom here, I think. These people are already here, and I still don't habla espaniol.
474 posted on 01/13/2004 11:28:01 AM PST by jim35
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To: exmarine
This comment is moral relativism.

Not at all. You said there was no argument as to whether Roe v. Wade was constitutional. I was just pointing out that tens of millions of your countrymen disagree. Morality has nothing to do with it.

The people do not decide what is constitutional unless they can pass an amendment - the Constitution does, and the Constitution is clear.

That's not true, and you know it. How can a piece of paper make a decision as to its own meaning? The Constitution requires human interpretation to be anything more than a 200 year old doily. There's no magic device that reads the Constitution and perfectly tells us what it means. Unfortunately, we have to rely on (imperfect) human beings. That's just the nature of the beast.

court rulings must rely on one thing and one thing only - the Constitution.

And precedent. That's how the common-law system works. If you don't like it, go to France- judges there cannot rely on precedent when it comes to interpreting their constitution.

475 posted on 01/13/2004 11:28:23 AM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: B4Ranch
How many times have you posted this long long post? We get your point. In fact we got it the first time you posted it.
476 posted on 01/13/2004 11:29:29 AM PST by upcountry miss
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To: jeremiah
I ask you, what is more likely, that Bush is not serious about his policy, or that Savage is trying to persuade the President that his policy is bad, and will cost him votes? I think the latter is more likely myself, but then again, I think what GW proposes is just as inflammatory as that which Savage proposes.

...or more likely he is trying to split the Republican party so that more will flock to the P.B. Lib party. Savage never did like Bush.

477 posted on 01/13/2004 11:29:36 AM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: TommyUdo
" I'm scared of both sides."

Both your instincts as a good mother and as a good FReeper are working perfectly!

Stay safe...

478 posted on 01/13/2004 11:29:48 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: exmarine
The Constitution does not mean anything a corrupt judge says it means - it means what it means.

Who gets the final say as to what the Constitution means, in your perfect system?

479 posted on 01/13/2004 11:30:21 AM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: jim35
Is it doom and gloom?
When our ballots are in Spanish, when street names of entire subdivisions are in Spanish, when road side advertisements are entirely in spanish? when school legislators are not making student SPEAK and learn english?

Is it so far fetched?
480 posted on 01/13/2004 11:30:35 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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