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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: AbsoluteJustice
"...These are statements I have made and not directed at you..."

You posted them on this forum, not privately, so they're fair game.
441 posted on 01/13/2004 11:06:01 AM PST by jim35
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To: jeremiah
So is the Dept of Homeland Security only worried about Arabs? The Federal Govt demands that the laws against Marijuana use be enforced, but it CANNOT lift a finger to make sure those involved in domestic criminal activity, be deported and stay that way? Pull off your blinders, the number one job of the Federal govt is to defend our country...... period.

Exactly right - irrefutable. Bush and Congress are "whistling past the graveyard" with their immigration policy! They had better hope that a terrorist attack does not spring from the south or there will be consequences for all of them to pay!

Whistling past the graveyard.

442 posted on 01/13/2004 11:06:09 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: jim35
OK, I see the great Independent/Liberaltarian plan now: First, tell the courts to go to hell, the president is in charge now. Next, vote against GW, and give the presidency to Dean, or Clark, or Clinton.

Yup. It comes down to this brilliant idea: President Bush is too liberal for us, so we're going to take our balls home and ensure that the noted conservative, Howard Dean, gets elected.

Brilliant.

443 posted on 01/13/2004 11:06:19 AM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Are people just ignorant of economics or what?

Yep.


444 posted on 01/13/2004 11:09:14 AM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally incompetant, or ignorant of reality.)
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To: Modernman
so we're going to take our balls home and ensure that the noted conservative, Howard Dean, gets elected

Ah the fear factor.

You see an elected official violating his oath of office so you decide not to vote for him. That is being a person of principle. We can never have people of principle elected to public office if we do not have prinicples ourselves.
445 posted on 01/13/2004 11:10:35 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Modernman
The fact that the people of this country are so split over Roe v. Wade goes against your argument that there is "no argument" as to whether some interpretations are valid. Now, you could trot out the elitist argument that the people who support Roe v. Wade are fools, but that really doesn't get you anywhere.

This comment is moral relativism. The people do not decide what is constitutional unless they can pass an amendment - the Constitution does, and the Constitution is clear. Life trumps privacy. There is no right to privacy. And today, more Americans oppose abortion than support it.

Again, show me these rights in the Constitution - court rulings must rely on one thing and one thing only - the Constitution.

446 posted on 01/13/2004 11:11:02 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: NYC Republican
Great- another single issue voter. I suppose Clark or Dean would be better?

LOL.

No, I'm a multi issue voter and Bush has failed on a multiple of issues.

And, no, I won't be voting for Clark, Dean or any Democrat, I'll be voting my conscience.

447 posted on 01/13/2004 11:11:57 AM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: exmarine
"...Let me ask you a question then: Is God Lord over politics or does His sovereignty end at the White House door?.."

So, what's your point? That Bush should destroy the greatest Republic ever created, by throwing out our judicial system, in a vain attempt to end abortion? It would lead to civil war, and in the end, probably wouldn't even end abortion. You think this would gain God's favor? I disagree, sir, most strongly. God, I believe, is working through Bush, and America is the richer for it. You are too impatient for change, and you would destroy us, to save us. Good intentions are not sufficient to attain redemption, if through them you destroy what is good.
448 posted on 01/13/2004 11:12:49 AM PST by jim35
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To: Modernman
So, you are basically saying that any government official is free to interpret the Constitution as he see fit.

No, they take an oath to defend and protect it, and in order to do so, they must read the plain language and interpret it plainly without inserting their cultural, moral, or legal agenda. How hard is that? The Constitution does not mean anything a corrupt judge says it means - it means what it means.

449 posted on 01/13/2004 11:13:03 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Did Reagan not pass an amnesty plan just like this one?

Nope.

He would NEVER have done something so stupid, so harmful to America. Reagan, I might add, did have his degree in Economics... My guess would be that he would easily have seen this plan for the disaster it is...
450 posted on 01/13/2004 11:13:28 AM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally incompetant, or ignorant of reality.)
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To: JustPiper
Impeach Bush

I strongly disagree with the Prez's immigration proposal, but this statement by Savage is savagely idiotic. ....No different than leftists who call for Bush's impeachment because he "lied about Iraq."

I remember Savage calling for us to "annihilate China with nuclear weapons" when they forced our Navy surveillance plane down in early '01. He repeated it the next day, just to let us know he wasn't kidding. When a caller to his radio show reminded him that China possessed ICBM's and would likely respond by nuking the very west coast city Savage resides in (among others), he cut him off before the caller could finish his thought ....and then promptly resumed his insanity as if the call never happened.

Savage is certifiably insane.

451 posted on 01/13/2004 11:13:54 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Are people just ignorant of economics or what?

Have you studied economics before? Can you explain what removing 8 million workers from our economy would do to labor rates and therefore corporate profits, real income, the stock market, investment returns, etc.? Are you arguing that economically this would be a good thing?

452 posted on 01/13/2004 11:15:25 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Most of the FReepers opposed to illegal immigration are opposed to immigration/immigrants entirely.)
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To: Howlin
The worst thing about you "Who Ya Gonna Vote For BushBots" is the failure to comprehend the concept of a "booth" that you "enter" so you can "vote". Sometimes I get the feeling that if were up to you guys, there would be no private voting.

!

453 posted on 01/13/2004 11:15:43 AM PST by m18436572
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To: Capitalist Eric
Nope.

Can you explain the differences in Reagan's 1986 amnesty plan and this one?

454 posted on 01/13/2004 11:16:36 AM PST by Texas_Dawg (Most of the FReepers opposed to illegal immigration are opposed to immigration/immigrants entirely.)
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To: m18436572
Is that post suppose to make sense?
455 posted on 01/13/2004 11:16:57 AM PST by Howlin (WARNING: If you post to me, Tard and Buttie Fred are gonna copy & paste it to LP!!!!!!!)
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To: Capitalist Eric
Well, Reagan did pass an amnesty plan, called the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986
456 posted on 01/13/2004 11:18:56 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: exmarine
They had better hope that a terrorist attack does not spring from the south or there will be consequences for all of them to pay!

Should it "spring from the North" (CanaDUH) then what, oh knowing sage?

The last intercept aimed for New Year's 2000, was made at the CANADIAN border.

Wave to Tard, exmarine, you're his "hero."

457 posted on 01/13/2004 11:19:12 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: jim35
So, what's your point? That Bush should destroy the greatest Republic ever created, by throwing out our judicial system, in a vain attempt to end abortion?

This is hyperbole. Our founders set up this constitutional republic, and said that its survival depends on morality of the leaders. Is Bush being moral when he ignores right and wrong for the sake of political expediency. Do you think Washington would have compromised on these issues? Think again. The first anti-abortion laws were passed about the same time as the Bill of Rights was ratified. What does that tell you?

It would lead to civil war, and in the end, probably wouldn't even end abortion.

People are being murdered. 43 million since 1973. I don't believe in peace at any price. And neither did our founding fathers.

Really? Did God approve of the war to end slavery in 1861? What do you think? Did he agree with the war to end the slaughter of jews in Nazi Germany? What do you think? God hates the shedding of innocent blood and he does not compromise on right and wrong. God does not tolerate murder - why should I?

You are too impatient for change, and you would destroy us, to save us. Good intentions are not sufficient to attain redemption, if through them you destroy what is good.

In case you hadn't noticed, we are being destroyed day by day. Look around. 43 million babies dead, homosexual marriage, Christianity under assualt by the courts and schools, erosion of freedom of speech, religion and right to bear arms, ever expanding and instrusive govt. - where do you think all of this will lead? Utopia? Think again!

458 posted on 01/13/2004 11:19:44 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: hedgetrimmer
You see an elected official violating his oath of office so you decide not to vote for him. That is being a person of principle

I guess that's where we differ. Principles are not something I care about or expect from a politician. I expect them to represent my interests.

459 posted on 01/13/2004 11:20:53 AM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: jeremiah
Name a single issue that would turn it for you?

Good question... I can't think of a single issue (where Bush would support anything that even the Rats propose) that would make me support Dean or Clark (which you're doing by withholding your vote) over Bush.

Bush is ALWAYS better than a Rat. Always.

460 posted on 01/13/2004 11:21:47 AM PST by NYC Republican
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