Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
Very funny! And the parallels continue. Only with my boys, they spent quite a while singing "Where there's a whip, there's a way"! They always get a hoot out of the bad guy songs.
I brought my daughter to see the movie twice and Joshua to see it once.
My wife and I saw the movie twice, without the kids. We went back and forth for awhile about whether to bring them. My oldest could probably have handled it, but he's also pretty sensitive. We described some of the parts to him, and he finally opted to wait. We're planning on a big family party night when it comes out on video. May even buy a DVD player for the occassion.
Sounds like you have a great family. From what I know of you here at FR you are providing a good example for them to follow.
Right back at ya buddy, and God bless you in your studies! Please don't take my departure from the other thread as a reflection on you or anyone else. I didn't want to leave the impression that I was leaving in a snit. It just wasn't an edifying experience anymore, and knowing myself if I didn't make a clean break of it I would just keep getting sucked back in. If you all are still around a couple of months from now, I may jump back in.
Christos Anesti.
That is what I was saying, at least someone gets it. I think you are right about most hobbits not caring if LOTR wins. I'll care, but I will celebrate anyhow (knock on wood). I think you are right about the gay agenda, too, and certainly hope that if Ian McKellen wins, he won't do or so anything to reflect badly on LOTR and Tolkien.
Arggh! They sound like great kids, but they'd be even better if they didn't sing THAT song!
I don't have any Oscar predictions! - I don't have any idea what they are going to do - I have hopes, but no real expectations! I will just be eagerly watching!
I think they'll sober up about orcs though after they see the PJ version. My stepmom, a huge fantasy fan, said her main complaint about PJ's version was that he made the orcs too much like monsters. I suppose this makes sense. If the slant-eyed stranger in the Prancing Pony is supposed to be a half-orc, there's no way he could have blended in if he looked like one of PJ's creations.
Heck they are just misunderstood, that's all. Orcs are a creature of peace, don't you know!
Arggh! They sound like great kids, but they'd be even better if they didn't sing THAT song!
LOL That's the only song from that awful movie that I remember.
From The Two Towers:
And in case I'm not the only one who is anxious to see how Frodo and Sam are faring on their trip to Mordor (also from TTT):
It has a lot of biographical info. re: Tolkien, and it includes several interviews with cast,including Orlando Bloom,Sean Astin, Liv Tyler, Cate Blanchett, Ian MacKellan, Christopher Lee, Elijah Wood..............no Viggo, though:( as well as on-location footage and clips from the movie. The idea is to show "how the imaginary world of Middle-earth reflects our own." It describes Tolkien's inspiration for creating the story as well as how he went about creating the Elvish languages, etc. You get to see "Hobbiton" before it became Hobbiton, and they talk about how they had to do stuff like plant the vegetable gardens a year before shooting started, etc.I really enjoyed it.
Bummber about no Viggo interview, but I'm not surprised--I don't think he likes that sort of thing at all.
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