Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
We're at the same point as you are. The chapter's called "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit" (yum.) Tonight, I think we'll get to Faramir. My wife and kids are loving it. They've seen the cartoon movies, but there's still plenty of surprises for them - like Faramir, who isn't in those.
How old are your kids? My boys are almost 10, almost 7, and 3. Needless to say, the 3 year old and usually the 7 year old are asleep by the time I finish. But the eldest is entranced. The new night time ritual is a chapter of Psalms, a chapter of Gospels, and then a chapter (or less if its long) of Lord of the Rings. Its been great, especially since it broke me of my post-9/11 cable news obsession.
I'll accept elf-magic...
Before PJ’s version came out, the cartoon version is all my family had seen. The kids would run around the house singing “Frodo of the nine fingers and the Ring of Doooom!” It was pretty funny, especially since my wife couldn’t stand that song. ;^)
How old are your kids? My boys are almost 10, almost 7, and 3.
Uncanny, I have an 11 year old daughter and two sons 7 and 5. Needless to say when I read the chapter only my daughter is really listening, unless it is a part with Legolas, he is Joshua, the seven year old’s, favorite.
I brought my daughter to see the movie twice and Joshua to see it once. There were a few parts where I closed his eyes, like the birthing of the Uruk-Hai. Generally he did okay. He asked to go home once, but I raised the arm that was in between our seats and he snuggled against me and hid his face when he wanted to. He really did enjoy the movie, he didn’t even have to go to the bathroom during the show. So far, 5 or 6 weeks later still no nightmares, so I think he handled it quite well. Jacob, my 5 year old, will not get to see it until it comes out on video and we can fast forward, or send him from the room, when we need to.
Needless to say, the 3 year old and usually the 7 year old are asleep by the time I finish. But the eldest is entranced. The new night time ritual is a chapter of Psalms, a chapter of Gospels, and then a chapter (or less if its long) of Lord of the Rings. Its been great, especially since it broke me of my post-9/11 cable news obsession.
Sounds like you have a great family. From what I know of you here at FR you are providing a good example for them to follow.
-ksen
Never Before Seen TTT Pics!
Xoanon @ 11:04 am EST
Ringer Spy Anonymous sends along these great 3 pictures from The Two Towers! Some fearsome Uruk-hai possibly at the battle in Helms Deep, the lovely Miranda Otto as Eowyn and your first ever good look at Brad Dourif as Grima Wormtongue!
PS: Welcome back ;-)!
I was reading or hearing something in the press comparing the chances of ABM versus FotR, and they described ABM as "an emotional movie" whereas FotR is "a fantasy movie." I am so sick and tired of hearing FotR dismissed as "a fantasy movie" as if that is the most important part about it, or as if there is nothing else of note in it. It is probably one of the most emotional movies I've ever seen....
Okay, /end rant
My three predictions are that ABM will win Best Picture and Best Director, and Ian will win Best Supporting Actor. Oh well, we have 2 more shots at the big awards, right?
I sure would love to see the reaction of the Fellowship cast (and director, etc.) to winning Best Picture, though...they would be beside themselves.
From the way they played fast and loose with the facts in ABM I should think it would qualify as a "fantasy movie" itself.
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