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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: JenB
Don't even think about it! If you try to get rid of Hair, Overtaxed and I will feed you to a dragon. Or an eagle, we'll say it was you who called the Eagles stupid. Right OT?

RIGHT!!! Wait...you're on my side? :)

521 posted on 03/19/2002 11:25:17 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: carton253
Yeah! Americans are God's chosen instruments of vengeance and rescue! And we provide transportation to Elfs, Dwarves, and Hobbits in need all the time...

No, I don't think that the Eagles represent anything except eagles, any more than I think Dwarves represent anything but Dwarves, or that Isengard means anything. Tolkien's not the symbolism type at all, I'd say. But it's an interesting idea...

522 posted on 03/19/2002 11:25:36 AM PST by JenB
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To: All
Just to interrupt with a question. Does anyone know if the next films will follow the book format or go chronologically from one group of characters to another? By book format I mean follow the adventures of what is left of the fellowship then go back and follow Frodo and Sam from when they crossed the lake.
523 posted on 03/19/2002 11:26:51 AM PST by doubled
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To: doubled
From the spoilers I've read, they'll be switching between the three different storylines fairly frequently. I guess that means it will be mostly chronologically. They apparently aren't going to make us wait as long to find Frodo and Sam as Tolkien did. ;)
524 posted on 03/19/2002 11:29:18 AM PST by Penny1
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To: doubled
It's going to switch back and forth between characters, not like in the books. Stupid short attention spans! JK - it makes lots of sense to do it this way.
525 posted on 03/19/2002 11:29:51 AM PST by JenB
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To: doubled
I am not sure we have heard the answer!... and I have wondered myself... I bet it jumps back and forth between stories.. (chronological)
526 posted on 03/19/2002 11:31:33 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB; Penny1
Thank you
527 posted on 03/19/2002 11:32:50 AM PST by doubled
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To: JenB
Well, the only reason I thought they could be Americans was because of when they came into the battles. When all looked lost... then suddenly "The Eagles are coming." And if you lived during World War I and World War II, then both times, when the war looked lost, the Americans came.

Of course, I don't think the books are allegories... I just think they are great.

528 posted on 03/19/2002 11:35:51 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Mine are Brigadoon, 1776, Guys and Dolls, The Fantasticks, and Les Mis.

Haven't been able to see "Ragtime" but love the music.

Detest Annie.

Had my fill of Rodgers & Hammerstein.

529 posted on 03/19/2002 11:38:13 AM PST by MozartLover
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To: carton253
Another source of LOTR MUSIC.
530 posted on 03/19/2002 11:40:58 AM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
Brigadoon, 1776, and My Fair Lady are the only musicals I can stand. I hate that sort of thing - but for some reason these three are different. 1776 is obvious; it's very patriotic and the songs are great. My Fair Lady I like because of the music, and because I like the story, but it does drag on now and then between songs.

Oh, bad image - just had a vision of the Hobbits performing the "Go Home with bonnie Jean" number out of Brigadoon....

531 posted on 03/19/2002 11:41:17 AM PST by JenB
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To: MozartLover
Ragtime was wonderful. I saw it on Broadway with Brian Stokes Mitchell. Fabulous! I have seen Les Miz more times than I count. I was fortunate to see the original cast on Broadway, so that meant I saw Colm Wilkinson as Jean Valjean.

Don't really like Andrew Lloyd Webber that much.

Sondheim, of course, is a genius! I love what he does.

Last musical I saw was The Scarlet Pimpernel.

532 posted on 03/19/2002 11:43:32 AM PST by carton253
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To: DonnerT
Brian Dennehey (Sp?) ... seen lately he's gained weight. Started a TV sitcom last fall... he is Irish, has sons that are firemen. Haven't seen it recently. Probably canceled.
533 posted on 03/19/2002 11:44:28 AM PST by Countyline
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To: carton253
"Don't really like Andrew Lloyd Webber that much. "

I've done "Joseph" twice. That was enough.

My daughter is playing for her college production of "J.C. Superstar" in a few weeks.

Sondheim! I love "Company."

534 posted on 03/19/2002 11:46:02 AM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
I have Sunday in the Park with George, Into the Woods, and Passion (another great one) on video. Saw the original cast of Into the Woods. Sat in the first row. Bernadette Peters was the witch, and Chip Zien the baker. Fantastic! Not that fond of Company though I do like "Being Alive".
535 posted on 03/19/2002 11:47:51 AM PST by carton253
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To: MozartLover
I will tell you a funny Annie story. Saw the National Touring Company, so my Annie was excellent. Anyway, I worked for the Reagan campaign in 1980... and going into the election, the pundits were predicting that the election would be close. They were even saying that Carter might win.

Anyway, the night before the election, I went to see Annie. In Annie, Daddy Warbucks has invited Roosevelt to his house for dinner. And Warbucks says... "Democrats, democrats, what does one feed a democrat?"

The musical came to a stop while the audience hooted and hollared and clapped in appreciation. That was the first time I could relax... I thought, perhaps, Reagan would win.

536 posted on 03/19/2002 12:01:40 PM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Oh...you mean the "Annie" Annie. I thought you were talking about "Annie Get Your Gun." Silly me!
537 posted on 03/19/2002 12:03:48 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Well, stay up with the conversation! :)
538 posted on 03/19/2002 12:05:59 PM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
That post was the first time you mentioned Daddy Warbucks.
539 posted on 03/19/2002 12:07:32 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: carton253
LOL! I remember that line. Our audience also responded well.:)

My strongest memory, though, is when the dog jumped into the orchestra pit..............

540 posted on 03/19/2002 12:08:45 PM PST by MozartLover
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