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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: carton253
Ah, precious...
501 posted on 03/19/2002 10:59:37 AM PST by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog
You got my precious 500... Ach! Not a nice little hobbit, are you?
502 posted on 03/19/2002 11:00:23 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
hehehehehe

;~)

503 posted on 03/19/2002 11:01:11 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh my word yes... they are all about horses. Dick Francis is a former English Steeplechase hockey. And every mystery has to do with horses. And since he is so knowledgeable about his subject, you learn alot.

He's retiring... but there must be at least 25 books. I loved them all.

504 posted on 03/19/2002 11:01:46 AM PST by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, I want Gollum you by spitting on your neck or biting your shoulder. I'll just bide my time and lure you to my trap.
505 posted on 03/19/2002 11:02:31 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Be nice to Hair! She has to take care of the ponies, if you feed her to Shelob they'll starve!

I'm happy - finally finished my paper, which is twenty pages long, and my taxes, which weren't bad either. Now I have a whole two hours free until dinner and class - whatever shall I do with it?

506 posted on 03/19/2002 11:08:06 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Ah.. but the Shelob manuever is already known. I have something else planned. Far more sinister than Shelob. Pure misunderstood spider thing! I wonder what her childhood was like?
507 posted on 03/19/2002 11:09:14 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Well, her mother was hardly a caring compassionate spider - Ungoliant is hardly the nurturing type. But that doesn't excuse trying to eat Hobbitses!
508 posted on 03/19/2002 11:11:40 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Carton is right... I would never be dumb enough to follow carton into a cave.
509 posted on 03/19/2002 11:11:56 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: carton253
No Way I'm feeling sorry for Shelob!
510 posted on 03/19/2002 11:12:02 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: carton253
William Shatner can only be Nathan Lane????

Sorry. I'm such a smart alec.;^)

511 posted on 03/19/2002 11:12:36 AM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
Funny though... No... Nathan Lane can only be Nathan Lane and Shatner can only be Shatner.
512 posted on 03/19/2002 11:16:07 AM PST by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog
You would if I made it worth your while.
513 posted on 03/19/2002 11:16:29 AM PST by carton253
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To: Overtaxed
I am all for supporting carton's compassion for the angst-ridden in these books. But trying to see the good side of Shelob, is over-the-top, I agree.
514 posted on 03/19/2002 11:16:46 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: carton253
Don't even think about it! If you try to get rid of Hair, Overtaxed and I will feed you to a dragon. Or an eagle, we'll say it was you who called the Eagles stupid. Right OT?
515 posted on 03/19/2002 11:17:44 AM PST by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh you guys... you are so funny. No, my sympathy ends for Gollum the moment he entered the cave.

All I'm saying (in my defense of poor Smeagol) is that most of you will excuse Bilbo and Frodo's bad behavior by blaming the ring. But, you won't do that for Smeagol. Kind of double standard, don't you think?

But mostly what Smeagol has going for him (and I recognize that he is a villan) is that he is hysterical. He makes me laugh, and if you make me laugh, I'm not so apt to judge you harshly.

But that wouldn't have blinded me to his faults and the danger Smeagol represented.

516 posted on 03/19/2002 11:21:13 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
I just had a crazy thought.......music theater is one of my favorite things in the whole world...........(I've been rehearsal/performance pianist for over 50 amateur musicals.)

......How long before we have....."LORD OF THE RINGS; THE MUSICAL"???????

THEN we'd get to hear some of those cool Hobbit & Bombadil songs.;^)

Does anyone know..............have any of the LOTR lyrics been set to music by anyone, at any time, for any purpose??? Just curious..........what a fascinating project that would be............

517 posted on 03/19/2002 11:21:14 AM PST by MozartLover
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To: JenB
Eagles? I don't sweat no stinkin' eagles.

Hey, if we think about the book as an analogy and stuff... do you think the Eagles represent the Americans?

518 posted on 03/19/2002 11:22:32 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
LOL! Just answered my own question! LOTR MIDI FILES .Going to go check them out now.
519 posted on 03/19/2002 11:24:25 AM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover
Musical theater is my most favorite thing in the whole world too.

Favorite musicals in order:
1. Les Miserables
4. Sunday in the Park with George
5. Ragtime
6. Miss Saigon
7. Into the Woods

520 posted on 03/19/2002 11:24:44 AM PST by carton253
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