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1 posted on 07/16/2026 5:57:29 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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Will no one rid me of this turbulent actress?


2 posted on 07/16/2026 5:57:44 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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VDH is shredding the left’s sexist claim of The Odyssey and The Iliad.


4 posted on 07/16/2026 6:06:35 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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"...despite receiving degrees from elite Hampshire College and Yale, the 42-year-old actress had never even read the Odyssey..."

No literature classes, but plenty of Womyn's Studies classes. That's just sad.

5 posted on 07/16/2026 6:07:16 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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I always point out to feminists count your blessings you live in America, so shut-up and enjoy the fact you are not a slave in a hijab or mud hut.


6 posted on 07/16/2026 6:10:58 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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I’ve read theories that the female actors who are talking up the female empowerment angle in pre-release interviews are intentionally generating controversy that isn’t in the movie with a goal of creating good critical reviews. The idea is that the critics will knee-jerk give the movie good reviews if they think Nolan made some feminist take on the Odessey. Critics who have seen it say that isn’t the case, and that the controversial casting - Lupita Nyong’o and Elliot Page - aren’t in it that much despite how prominent they were displayed in pre-release advertising. So its all a plot and Nolan is betting that most people just won’t pay attention to the culture war and will see it anyway. If true, its an evil genius plot that may work. But for it to work, Nolan would have to make a good movie and he may fail on more conventional grounds like boring plot, bad color and sound, too long and bad casting that has nothing to do with race or gender swapping. When I first heard about the casting, my biggest disappointment was Matt Damon as Odysseus. That’s horrible casting to me. So are Tom Holland and Zendaya. None of them are right for a Greek epic.


11 posted on 07/16/2026 6:17:59 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To me part of the magic and history is this great sweeping epic and others (Sparta, Athens, Greece etc.) being so concentrated in such a small intense, brilliant area of the ancient world, it is like a live birth of the great Western world, so much bursting forth so hot and intense from such a tiny dot and peoples of the world.

When you bring in black Africans and the modern casting it kills the magic by bringing one back to global mobility, jet airliners, international trade crossing the globe, immigration, more modern history, diversity and multiculturalism, it takes you out of the moment and wipes out most of why the tale is special and enduring in the first place being a window into our birth, it makes it just another action film with no core.


12 posted on 07/16/2026 6:20:12 AM PDT by ansel12
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I have yet to hear about who is even playing the lead character of Odysseus.


13 posted on 07/16/2026 6:20:17 AM PDT by xp38
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> Actress Lupita Nyong’o, in particular, has criticized Homer’s purported sexism. <

I wonder what’s next. Maybe Nyong’o will demand that all of Homer’s works be burned. And all digital copies be deleted.

After all, that is the leftist way.


14 posted on 07/16/2026 6:21:28 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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Wow it’s amazing how much free press haters of this movie are generating for it. If I was a conspiracy oriented person I’d say this hating is actually bought and paid for as part of the movie’s promotion.


15 posted on 07/16/2026 6:24:34 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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Homer created for men what has proven to be a wonderfully timeless measure of womanhood. The quantification of measure is the mili-Helen System

Helen was the Spartan woman for whom a thousand ships were launched to achieve her rescue. She is historically believed to be the most beautiful of all women. She represents the top value of 1,000 mili-Helens

A woman’s beauty can be measured in mili-Helens. Thus an average woman is quantified at the level of 500 mili-Helens. That is, 500 ships would be launched to permit her rescue.

The timeless message of Homer proves as valuable to day as it was centuries ago


17 posted on 07/16/2026 6:30:22 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Quid Quid Nominatur Fabricatur)
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Idiot...


19 posted on 07/16/2026 6:32:12 AM PDT by Democrat = party of treason
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A very hard pass for me.


26 posted on 07/16/2026 6:48:35 AM PDT by The Louiswu (USA FIRST...USA FOREVER)
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Eighth century BC Greeks were sexist.

Furthermore they were White. Therefore responsible for slavery in the early USA.

Right?

29 posted on 07/16/2026 6:58:08 AM PDT by Salman (We need to proceed as if the system were completely broken, because it is. )
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This Homer revisionism has been going on for a while. When I went to U of Chicago, we had a "Common Core" that ensured exposure to things like Homer, and I got both the Iliad and the Odyssey in "Human Being and Citizen". While I had Amy Kass (perfectly sound, and very intelligent, and a stand-up Guy I think named Haley), some of my schoolmates had a different teacher who suggested that "The Odyssey" was written by a woman, using deconstructionist arguments like a ship going through a narrow channel between two cliffs being vaginal imagery. This was in 1982.

The termites have been present at all levels, for a long time. What's more, most of them are stupid termites.
30 posted on 07/16/2026 6:59:15 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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Nor could a black actor be believable as Abraham Lincoln

We'll be seeing Will Smith, or maybe Samuel L. Jackson as Abraham Lincoln any day now.

31 posted on 07/16/2026 7:05:22 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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Whatever. I have no intention of seeing this, whatever anyone wants to call it.


33 posted on 07/16/2026 7:09:54 AM PDT by Agatsu77
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The film’s not even out yet and I’ve already lost interest. Someone watch it and let me know how bad it sucked.


36 posted on 07/16/2026 7:19:48 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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Am looking forward to watching so I can make up my own mind.

Read The Odyssey over two semesters including time reading Clark’s translation into Latin. A great story.


37 posted on 07/16/2026 7:29:33 AM PDT by Fury
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Victor Davis Hanson is a national treasure.

Whoever said “woke is dead” hasn’t been paying attention. Woke is still alive and well and deperately needs killing. Put a fork in it.

Woke movies like Nolan’s idiotic Odd Assy needs to be pummeled into the stone age by normal people. Here is hoping it bombs terribly and flops just like Snow White and Supergirl.

On a slightly different topic, I think Nolans work is ass. He could be brilliant in the past with stuff like Memento and Inception. His more recent stuff is trash. He even completely messed up something as easy to tell as Dunkirk. Interstellar sucks ass despite all of the critical praise.

I haven’t seen Oppenheimer, so there is that.


38 posted on 07/16/2026 7:30:48 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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I thought that Homer’s Odyssey was a lot more boring and draggy than Homer’s Illiad.

But then I couldn’t get through Tolkein’s “The Two Towers” either. The half with Frodo and Sam painstakingly crawling toward Mordor was simply torture to read. It took me at least 4 attempts to force myself to finish that half of the book and I would never read it again.


39 posted on 07/16/2026 7:33:15 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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