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The Garden Thread - September, 2025
September 1, 2025 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 09/01/2025 4:39:33 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

The MONTHLY Gardening Thread is a gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

If you have specific question about a plant/problem you are having, please remember to state the Growing Zone where you are located.

This thread is a non-political respite. No matter what, you won’t be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table Recipes, Preserving, Good Living - there is no telling where it will go - and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us! Send a Private Message to Diana in Wisconsin if you'd like to be added to/removed from our New & Improved Ping List.

NOTE: This is a once a MONTH Ping List, but we DO post to the thread all throughout the month. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest to Gardeners are welcomed any time.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: food; garden; gardening; hobbies
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To: MomwithHope
Walking inside the grove is an amazing experience. Like being in your own tropical jungle.

I get a sort of "mini-effect" like that under my (now huge) Opo plant. :-)

If I'd planned it better from the start, I could probably have a 15' x 15' area with nothing overhead but Opo plant.

541 posted on 09/20/2025 7:46:13 PM PDT by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; MomwithHope; Qiviut
Has anyone ever watched a butterfly emerge from its chrysalis? This morning I got to do that, although I nearly missed it. I knew the Monarch was close to emerging because the chrysalis was becoming translucent and I could see black and orange underneath it. I had been watching for 35 minutes, but decided to take my coffee cup back into the kitchen and put it into the sink. I was only gone for 60 seconds. By the time I got back, I saw this.

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The process started, so I had my cell phone camera rolling. It took several minutes for the little lady to come all the way out.

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Here she is almost fully emerged.

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She had a good afternoon, pumping her wings and letting them dry. We are having rain tonight, so we will see if she’s ready to leave the habitat and make her way in the real world.

542 posted on 09/20/2025 8:15:55 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: Paul R.; All

Wifey chastises me for keeping a couple trash bags of used 2 liter soda bottles. But, today, to take a break from computer headaches, I made a quite decent “one month plus” chicks’ feeder out of nothing but a cut up 2 liter soda bottle, a ~2-1/2” deep “saucer” on clearance from Wally World for 25 cents, and a few dabs of hot melt glue.

Note: Normally adhesion of hot melt glue to PET plastic, and similar “low surface energy” plastics is poor. So, where you want a joint (weld), hold the two pieces together and punch a hole through them with a 1/8” cheapest-you-can-find soldering gun tip. Keep the pieces held together for a full minute. This will tack the two pieces together. Then come back with a hot melt glue gun and run a LITTLE hot melt glue through the hole, filling it, and creating a bit of a cap on either side. This will create a sort of “hot melt glue rivet”, but unlike a metal rivet, it won’t corrode / rust. Clip off any excess if need be, but remember you are making a sort of “rivet” for a “permanent” attachment.

If you want to hang the feeder, you can make a couple hot melt reinforced holes, 180 deg. apart, near the top of the feeder.

Use a fairly high temp hot melt glue gun if possible, but with care. The high temps will get you better adhesion than might be expected — I suspect by activating the plastics’ surface not unlike a flame treatment. The trick is to not melt your parts TOO much! :-)

Given the time involved, this is not cost effective, but, as a sort of “craft” (or “prepper?) project, it is rewarding - esp. when the chicks get used to their new feeder and excitedly gather ‘round at feeding time!

NOTE: The “cap end” of the bottle becomes a “cone” at the bottom-middle of the feeder, to divert feed to the openings into the saucer. Use as much of the straight sided portion of the bottle as possible, to hold feed. Once the chicks get 6” tall or so, they eat a lot...


543 posted on 09/20/2025 8:16:45 PM PDT by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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To: Qiviut

How is your lemon verbena doing? I decided I needed to harvest mine today to make some liqueur. I hope it will turn out. I didn’t have as many leaves as it called for in the recipe I used.

The funny thing in the recipes I looked at, there were varying amounts of leaves to use. They went all the way from 1/2 cup packed, to 3 cups packed, with everything in between. I used about 3/4 cup packed for 750 ml vodka.

I made this a few years ago, and while I enjoyed it, not many others did. My favorite way to enjoy it was to add it to unsweet tea. I’m looking for other uses, but sipping it straight is nice, too.


544 posted on 09/20/2025 8:23:56 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: FamiliarFace
Has anyone ever watched a butterfly emerge from its chrysalis?

Yes - pretty amazing, eh? My youngest brother was an avid moth and butterfly collector* in his teens, and "hatched" out quite a few from chrysalis and cocoons, including some VERY large Cecropia moths. (One was within 1/4" of being a State record.)

He had, by age 13, a collection that amazed even the etymologists at the large university near us. They said it might be the best one in our end of the state!

545 posted on 09/20/2025 8:24:40 PM PDT by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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To: Paul R.

I am in awe of this amazing process. I guess I’ve had other things to pay attention to, but this year, my milkweed patch was so large that I saw Monarchs there every day for weeks, which turned into hundreds of caterpillars out there. I only “rescued” the last 35 of them, and only because we had that cold spell in the evenings for 5 or so days. They already have enough trouble making it through. I figured I could at least give them a temporary home.

I pay more attention to birds and flowers than butterflies, but the metamorphosis is a stunning event. I’m glad I’ve gotten to see this.


546 posted on 09/20/2025 8:33:59 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: All

French Breakfast Puffs / so much deliciousness for so little work.
Heavenly quick-fix breakfast puffs coated with cinnamon and sugar.

Ing 1/3 c shortening 1/2 c sugar 1 egg 1 1/2 c flour 1 1/2 tsp b/powder 1/2 tsp salt
1/4 tsp nutmeg 1/2 cup milk, Coating 1 tsp cinnamon, 1/2 c sugar 1/2 cup butter, melted

Method Grease 15 muffin cups, 2 1/2x1 1/4". Mix well shortening, 1/2 c sugar, egg. Stir in flour, b/powder, salt, nutmeg alternately w/ milk. Place in muffin cups. Bake golden 350 deg 20-25 min.

Final Roll hot muffins immediately in melted butter, then in cinnamon-sugar. Serve hot.

547 posted on 09/20/2025 11:49:11 PM PDT by Liz (May you be in Heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead (Irish blessing))
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To: FamiliarFace

I was just looking at my ‘sprawling’ lemon verbena yesterday morning & thinking next year, I should plan to make liqueur. I actually cut back some of the branches that were crowding my little lavender. Based on the amounts you gave, I would have plenty of leaves; however, the leaves aren’t as nice now because the plant is going into fall mode. The plant obviously liked the raised bed environment & did well, so I will plant again next year & plan on making liqueur.

Finding lemon verbena might not be easy - I ran across it at a nursery in the spring where we bought our first 4 Little Missy boxwoods. The Farm Bureau, Walmart & the country market just down the road (lots of flowers & some herbs) did not have lemon verbena.


548 posted on 09/21/2025 5:22:36 AM PDT by Qiviut (A Mighty Fortress: “...the body they may kill. God’s truth abideth still. His kingdom is forever")
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To: Qiviut

It’s not easy to find, so I saved the tops of the plant to try to make starts for next year. I have no idea if that will work, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

What else do you do with them except love that amazing aroma when you touch it? I have to look around for more ideas.


549 posted on 09/21/2025 5:44:59 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: FamiliarFace

As much as I dislike BUGS in general, their life cycles are miraculously fascinating.

I can see where people would want to go into that line of study/work for a living.

Not sure if it’s due to the early, way-too-much rains we had, but I’ve seen more Katydids than I have in decades - and there are a lot more grasshoppers around, too.


550 posted on 09/21/2025 6:03:29 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: FamiliarFace

551 posted on 09/21/2025 6:08:52 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

They blend in so nicely!

I am constantly amazed at how camouflaged so many things in the natural world are.


552 posted on 09/21/2025 6:17:38 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: FamiliarFace

Hide well or be EATEN, LOL!


553 posted on 09/21/2025 6:18:51 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: FRiends

554 posted on 09/21/2025 6:25:10 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: FamiliarFace

I don’t really do anything except enjoy the scent. Looks like I need to get more creative plus read articles like this:

35 ways to use lemon verbena
https://cnz.to/ingredients-fine-foods/35-ways-to-use-lemon-verbena/


555 posted on 09/21/2025 6:31:50 AM PDT by Qiviut (A Mighty Fortress: “...the body they may kill. God’s truth abideth still. His kingdom is forever")
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To: Qiviut

You’ve done my homework for me! I was going to start looking, but you’ve beat me to it. Hopefully these starts will work out over the winter for planting next spring.

I’m also getting basil started for ongoing use over the fall and winter. So far, so good.


556 posted on 09/21/2025 7:44:48 AM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: Liz

Foodie beard: -1.


557 posted on 09/21/2025 7:16:05 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Right_In_Virginia’s 84% Plausibly Anti-Semitic posts put him at #1! Any challengers?)
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To: Liz

Foodie beard: -1.


558 posted on 09/21/2025 7:16:27 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Right_In_Virginia’s 84% Plausibly Anti-Semitic posts put him at #1! Any challengers?)
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To: Liz

Foodie beard: -1.


559 posted on 09/21/2025 7:17:43 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Right_In_Virginia’s 84% Plausibly Anti-Semitic posts put him at #1! Any challengers?)
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To: Liz

Foodie beard: -1.


560 posted on 09/21/2025 7:18:09 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Right_In_Virginia’s 84% Plausibly Anti-Semitic posts put him at #1! Any challengers?)
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