Posted on 11/17/2024 2:58:53 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
President-elect Donald Trump is inheriting a blood-soaked war in Ukraine. He has pledged to put a swift end to the carnage.
Mr. Trump hasn’t explained his plan — if, indeed, he has one — but Vice President-elect JD Vance has called for Ukraine to cede captured land to Russia and drop its pleas to join NATO in exchange for peace. Mr. Trump’s national security adviser nominee, Representative Michael Waltz of Florida, has criticized the flow of U.S. aid to Ukraine and called for prompt negotiations, questioning whether the United States should support the complete liberation of Ukraine.
If Mr. Trump follows their advice and pushes Ukraine into talks that result in lost territory, his political rivals as well as hawks in his own party will accuse him of abandoning Ukraine and rewarding Vladimir Putin’s hunger for expansion.
They would be right; there’s no way to sugarcoat it. Ukrainians would be hung out to dry, and Mr. Putin could end up attacking again or expanding his imperial designs to other neighbors.
Mr. Trump should do it anyway.
Dozens of people, and often hundreds, are dying every day in this grinding war. Mr. Trump should seize the chance to save lives. Nobody is coming to save Ukraine. A settlement will eventually be needed.
Despite flashes of spectacular success by Ukrainian forces, the Russian position has gradually strengthened, and there is no reason to expect Mr. Putin to lose the upper hand now. That may sound like defeatism, but it’s also realism. Nor is it a partisan perception — there have long been reports of Biden administration officials quietly trying to nudge Ukraine toward negotiations.
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Exactly. That’s why I don’t believe a word they say. 👍
After being abandoned by Britain and France, Czechoslovakia chose to not fight and just surrendered. The Wehrmacht at that time was not the irresistible force it later became. Had Czechoslovakia fought it might have been exactly where Ukraine is today and Hitler would have never gotten to become Hitler.
Have my aunt had balls, I would never have had cousins.
The Ukrainians have the balls the Czechoslovakians did not.
Nobody said they had to give up all their territory.
Just quit fighting over the territory they've already lost and say no to NATO. It's that simple.
Don't like that deal? They fight for another year and lose it all. That's how it works.
“if Russia lives up to the treaty”
Like the treaty to respect Ukraine’s borders if they gave up their nuclear weapons? Like that treaty. Russia is sooooo living up to that treaty.
Mouse ... cookie.
just saw this of the people doing the trump dance
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1858294638286721324
detroit lions even included the golf swing.
You’re like Fox News calling Arizona in 2020 before the polls even close.
In any war of one country attacking another the goal is not stopping the killing....but to kick the invader out of the invaded country.
Very noble to be concerned about all the deaths but that can be done by kicking the invader out of the innocent country.
Some would want us just to concentrate on deaths to justify the attacker keeping the land that they have stolen.
It is important to kick Russia out and achieve both goals...
So who is the innocent country here?
So who is the innocent country here?
Ukraine has already kicked the Russian Navy out of the Crimea. Russia has to lie to men in other countries to find soldiers to die in Ukraine. Russia is on its last leg and can’t last another 6 months.
Those who are pushing for Ukraine to give up land know Russia is about done.
War pigs gotta war pig.
The only reason that Ukraine has for joining NATO is the invasion by Russia.
Russia caused them to apply, it is all Putin’s fault.
Russia has more manpower than Ukraine. Putin's goal is to hold on to the gains. Right now, Zelensky refuses to stop until Putin withdraws all Russian troops from the occupied territories.
If you can’t figure that out maybe you should be reading another web site.
Your smugness shows that you don’t understand the sordid history of Western meddling and encrouchment.
Caught that watching the game this afternoon. We all had a good laugh.😆
Trump 🇺🇸🦁
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