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Question:What happens if Harris refuses to certify the election if Trump wins.
Myself | 10/25/2024 | Myself

Posted on 10/25/2024 11:47:07 AM PDT by murron

Will it then be up to Speaker Johnson to do it?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bloodshed; certify; harris
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To: Bob Wills is still the king

“It depends on whether the VP buys the legal theories of John Eastman and Ken Cheseboro.”

It is determined by US 3 paragraph 15


61 posted on 10/25/2024 12:48:52 PM PDT by TexasGator (FIXED! I. I I l I l l "l I l / .I lI . l I l)
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To: FoxInSocks
Good summary at the link with a note of caution:

State or county boards of election could refuse to certify election results or impose standards that would delay counting. This could prevent a rival party from claiming Electoral College votes from that state, or it might encourage a state legislature to install its own slate of electors–regardless of the new federal law.

While the Electoral Count Reform Act has stabilized elements of presidential elections, the rest of the system is still being tested. Unless the election results are decisive, expect legal and political challenges to once again extend the cycle into 2025.

62 posted on 10/25/2024 12:48:54 PM PDT by CedarDave (Pubs need to vote to widen the spread over the Dems; beat the cheat!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Congress specifically changed the US Code Title 3 after J6 to make it clear that the VP cannot do this.

"To make it clear" is quite right and such legislation was thought unnecessary by many legal scholars.

The Act merely clarifies the Constitutionally intended role of the VP when acting as the President of the Senate at this unique Joint Session.

The left was undoubtedly concerned about how its election efforts might be thwarted by an R VP.

63 posted on 10/25/2024 12:49:06 PM PDT by frog in a pot
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To: Wallace T.

Mexico would face the flip side of the Alamo in Texas.


64 posted on 10/25/2024 12:49:16 PM PDT by BigFreakinToad (just remember the Harris algorithm runs at 3 am.)
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To: Vermont Lt

But the senate and house can debate an objection if one of each object. Donks controlled house and senate in 2021 so that didnt happen. If Repubs control both this time there maynot be a need from our side. Just the Dems like they objected to Ohio in 2004 trying to soothe bruised egos


65 posted on 10/25/2024 12:52:27 PM PDT by BigEdLB ( Let’s go Brandon)
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To: murron

Apologies if already replied, but it is an easy answer.

The new Congress will be sworn in already. There would be the fastest impeachment in history. The Speaker of the House will be the President and take care of business. All that providing: 1) The GOP takes both Houses of Congress and 2) The Senate has not confirmed Kamala’s choice for VP during hre short tenure.


66 posted on 10/25/2024 12:57:48 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (What is the cost of lies?)
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To: murron

Caroline Kennedy (Dimwitted) will award her the Profiles in Courage award.


67 posted on 10/25/2024 12:59:20 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14/12 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15/12 - 1030am - Obama team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: murron

The question no reporter has the balls to ask her...


68 posted on 10/25/2024 1:00:10 PM PDT by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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To: murron

New House seats on Jan 3

Johnson may not be Speaker on the 6th


69 posted on 10/25/2024 1:07:02 PM PDT by digger48
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To: frog in a pot
The left was undoubtedly concerned about how its election efforts might be thwarted by an R VP.

It's even worse than that! The Democrats unconstitutionally usurped the state legislatures' plenary power to manage their election certifications.

This is why Democrats made wholesale changes to Title 3 back in 2022. I posted this in April 2024:


Here's yet another question:

If the 2020 election wasn’t stolen, then why did Democrats REPEAL IN ITS ENTIRETY the US CODE that gave state legislatures the power to choose Electors if the results weren't determined ON Election Day?

In 2022, the Democrat-controlled Congress repealed in its entirety 3 U.S. Code § 2. Failure to make choice on prescribed day. This section allowed the state legislature to choose its Electors in the event that the election was not resolved ON ELECTION DAY.

Original text of 3 U.S. Code § 2. Failure to make choice on prescribed day:

Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.

In states where the Democrats were holding up counting the votes, taking days to receive mail-in votes, looking to disqualify votes, etc., it was US CODE that the state legislatures could put an immediate stop to it and simply declare the Electors on their own.

It's too bad that Republican-controlled state legislatures didn't use this power, or at least speak out in defense of people claiming to be alternative electors. All it would have taken from such states is a vote of the legislature in support of the alternative slate at any point prior to meeting in the Electoral College.

By removing this section from Title 3, Democrats have legalized delaying the returns for weeks while they keep finding votes.

They must have known they stole the election because they removed the law that gave the states the power to stop the steal if it takes several days to complete.


Repeat:

They must have known they stole the election because they removed the law that gave the states the power to stop the steal if it takes several days to complete.

-PJ

70 posted on 10/25/2024 1:08:00 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Demiurge2

Didn’t the Dems change the 19th century law regarding the role of the VP in tabulation of certifications?


71 posted on 10/25/2024 1:10:35 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: BigEdLB

There will be very little tolerance for that stuff without significant evidence and some court cases behind them. THAT stuff ALL has to be settled in the state prior to the certification.

This was true in 2020. It’s true today.

The problem is that Trump was not prepared for this n 2020 and he was calling lawyers on Election Day. He got morons for lawyers and he had horrible advice from the people around him. Things like “standing” should not be an issue—unless you have bad lawyers.

I am hoping he is better prepared this time around.


72 posted on 10/25/2024 1:11:58 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: ridesthemiles

Has to go through the process of going through the electors. They cut that off for the 2020. They won’t for the 2024


73 posted on 10/25/2024 1:12:21 PM PDT by stanne
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To: murron

They changed the law. She may blink like Barbara Eden and change it back.


74 posted on 10/25/2024 1:14:57 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: ifinnegan

I wonder about this as well. They both were elected and that is the process. But, if they don’t certify or allow the ticket of Trump/Vance, then I am not sure this would be the case.


75 posted on 10/25/2024 1:16:37 PM PDT by vivenne
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To: Vendome

But first they will make sure that the Republicans appear to be compliant.


76 posted on 10/25/2024 1:31:47 PM PDT by californian by choice (Who are those who believe in science?)
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To: murron

As with Pence doing his thing in 2021, they have to follow procedure, even with blood flowing out their eyes down their fronts. It just is.


77 posted on 10/25/2024 1:31:49 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: BigEdLB

Thank You.


78 posted on 10/25/2024 1:34:17 PM PDT by Delta 21 (If anyone is treasonous, it is those who call me such.)
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To: Vendome

Capitol


79 posted on 10/25/2024 1:43:49 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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To: Political Junkie Too

How could anyone vote for this act? Its unconstitutional and contradictory on its face.

You dont just strip the powers of the VP or the President of the senate and deem his duties as anything especially ministerial. They are in authoritiah over you.

Pelosi and Obama.


80 posted on 10/25/2024 1:47:14 PM PDT by Delta 21 (If anyone is treasonous, it is those who call me such.)
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