Posted on 01/24/2024 5:37:55 AM PST by Red Badger
A Delta Boeing 757 nose wheel came off and rolled down the hill at take off
The flight was set to fly from Atlanta to Bogota when the tires fell off
It is the latest in a slew of terrifying incidents involving Boeing aircrafts
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A Delta Air Lines plane flying out of Atlanta lost its nose tire as it tried to take off on Saturday, the Federal Aviation Administration has revealed.
The Boeing 757 was set to take off from Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport to Bogota, Colombia on Saturday when the nose wheel came off.
According to the FAA reported, the nose wheel came off and rolled down the hill as during the line up and wait to take off.
The Delta Air Lines Boeing 757 nose wheel incident is the latest in a slew of terrifying incidents involving Boeing aircrafts.
'The 75 on the runway just lost the nose tire,' said the pilot who was behind the Boeing 757, according to audio posted by VASAviation.
The Delta Pilot said, 'Thanks for that … sounds like we got a problem.'
'Yeah, we saw that tire roll off the runway to the south. Looks like it went off the runway, probably down the bank down there,' said the other pilot.
All 184 passengers on board and their bags were removed from the plane put on a replacement aircraft, reported WSB-TV.
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Boss took all the bolts off like you said. I said tighten them.
It’s British.
They need to learn proper English..................
You can’t blame Boeing for that. It’s not up to Boeing to pull maintenance.
Omg...I had not seen that one yet.
Serious question...
What happens when one of these fabulous, sexually deviant, mentally ill folks breaks up with their chosen “life partner” (or, gets upset at the airport Starbucks counter person), and wants to end it “all”? Do they take a plane load of passengers with them? Overreaction does seem to be one of their talents...
I have had both gay and lesbian neighbors at various places I have lived.
They are very violent when ‘triggered’ for whatever reason.
Yours is a very valid concern.................
There are of course books written on this subject. I live on an airpark with our airplanes. Many of my neighbors are airline pilots, and my brother is a high time airline captain who has flown mostly 737s during his career. The coverage on the 737 Max 8 was, as we have come to expect, distorted, and misleading as well. This was of course a hot topic for months on the airport where we live.
The coverage on this was no better than what we have seen with recent inconsequential “mishaps”. There was redundancy built into the system. MCAS itself is a redundant system intended to make the plane easier to fly. The plane can fly perfectly safely without the sensor you mentioned working properly or even present.
I heard the issue explained many times by people who were very familiar with the airplane itself, and the software “glitch” in the new Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS). Boeing made inexplicable changes to the system and removed appropriate references from the manual. The procedure for handling a failure were different than on previous models. The changes in procedure were not disseminated properly or in a timely manner. The crashes were completely avoidable if the pilots had been trained to recognize the problem and take the appropriate action which was basically to disable MCAS when it was malfunctioning.
I was told many times that the crashes would likely not have taken place if the two planes that went down were being flown by experienced domestic pilots. Part of the problem is that modern airliners practically fly themselves. This causes complacency and allows people with almost no actual flying skills to pilot them from one destination to another.
I put up a couple of Flight Simulator threads in the past week. You can purchase the Boeing 737 MAX for both MSFS 2020, X-plane 11 and 12, and other simulators. I have not tried it myself, but you can likely simulate the failure of the sensor you referred to which is one of the things that simulators are meant to be used for.
I don't mean to contradict you... and you likely already have a good understanding of this topic. I just enjoy aviation related conversations.
Is this where you developed your foreign policy insight?
You don’t need no stinkin nose wheel to FLY!
And as to landing, they still had ONE!
Re: 70 - Of course there are problems caused by incompetent or poorly trained staff.
But WE DON’T KNOW THAT for this problem.
The kneejerk “It’s due to DEI” bleeting is tedious.
I understand that this bothers you. Unfortunately, these days the proportion of problems caused by affirmative action and DEI has gone through the roof. Many of us can look back over our careers and remember numerous serious problems caused by our co-workers, subordinates, and superiors because of DEI type policies. How many of these issues made the news... Even in my profession which was frequently in the news, none of these stories was reported on ever. Not once! The phenomena you are concerned with is a backlash to this.
Awesome question, and yes it did help oh superior one
Having deployed to many spots in the world, Germany, France, Turkey, England, Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, S Korea, Japan , Qatar, Iraq and Afghanistan, I did get to experience the culture and the people and it did help me form some ideas of how things are and not how people want them to be or think they are
Thanks for the question
knock it off.
From flat tires to sushi, a true Renaissance man
Thank you, though not a sushi fan
Yup have worked my whole life getting hands dirty, sheet metal, paint, welding, parachutes, fabrication of all types, aircrew equipment, weapons systems, as well as intelligence, border patrol
Curious what life experiences have helped form your positions
I’m about as big of a Boeing fanboy as you can get, but the implementation of MCAS on the 737 MAX was seriously flawed. Horrendously so.
The lower cost option did rely on a single AOA sensor. Note that the plane is equipped with two AOA sensors, but only one was used as an input to the MCAS in the lower cost option. (For comparison, all A320’s have triple redundant AOA sensors.)
Secondly, there was no way to disable MCAS without also disabling the trim motors. The original design of the MCAS would also continue trimming the dose down after pilot input of nose up. The circuit breakers had to be pulled to stop the MCAS, but that disabled the entire electric trim system.
At the speeds the plane was going, the manual trim wheels required too much force to turn while the horizontal stabilizers were loaded. In order to turn the manual trim wheels, the pilots would have to pitch the nose down even further with the elevators, something unthinkable when your plane is aiming into the ground.
Finally, it shouldn’t require experienced domestic pilots in the cockpit to prevent a plane from purposely flying itself into the Earth. Even experienced pilots make mistakes, become disoriented, have stressful distracting domestic concerns on their minds, or fly fatigued from poor scheduling.
Note that changes to the MCAS include redundant inputs (but not triple redundant) from both AOA sensors now and the nose down trim from MCAS will only occur once, not continuously, and will stop with pilot input. And training of course. Remember Boeing had decided to remove mention of the system in the pilot training material.
Still a big fan of Boeing though. I hope they can improve their engineering and their QA issues before another incident occurs.
What if the maintenance crews are infiltrated by migrant terrorists?
I have witnessed exactly what you described in the 20+ years in my industry, which isn’t aviation, but power generation. Lessons forgotten in time and the bean counters… yeah.
We had a ten story superheated steam boiler explode exactly a decade after I started. (I was out of town.) Third time it happened in the 60 year old plant’s history, with the previous one occurring 17 years prior to the last. Thankfully we don’t have any passengers in the power plant.
The plant started with around 500 workers but we were down to about 100 during the explosion. We’re down to far fewer now. My department had 16 workers when I started but is now down to six despite having far more work to do than when we started. Experienced workers are retiring and not being replaced. When they do hire new people, it is after the seasoned workers have left, giving no chance for that knowledge to be passed on.
I am not sure that I would label myself a Boeing fan boy. I have been a licensed pilot for over 30 years and had flown hang gliders and ultralight aircraft for ten years before that. But my interests have been in general aviation, homebuilt experimental aircraft, ultalight aircraft, hang gliders and flight simulators. I have heard various explanations about what would have needed to be done when the two Boeing 737 MAX aircraft malfunctioned and crashed.
There is no question in my mind that Boeing screwed up in various ways. However, the reporting on this was horribly botched and I am not sure that the explanation that you gave though repeated often, is completely accurate. It is not completely accurate according to people that I know who fly the aircraft. I have no firsthand personal experience... do you?
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