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Is it OK to have your sole loyalty belong to America?

Or does loyalty to America depend on subservience to another country? IOW, subservience which requires total lack of criticism, total agreement, to avoid malignant name calling?

1 posted on 11/13/2023 5:25:29 PM PST by Gratia
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Are you logged in?


2 posted on 11/13/2023 5:25:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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You’re going to have to give an example. The question is kind of unclear.


3 posted on 11/13/2023 5:27:13 PM PST by Theo (FReeping since 1997 ... drain the swamp.)
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Cute.

We know what you are really asking.

My loyalty to America is wavering because of what we are becoming, however, let us stipulate my loyalty is at the former levels.

It is okay to ALSO favor decent treatment of Israel and to shield her from muslims and their atrocities.


4 posted on 11/13/2023 5:28:14 PM PST by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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Christian first. Alabamian second. American third.


6 posted on 11/13/2023 5:30:48 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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Is the Pledge of Allegiance still relevant to you?

There’s your answer.


7 posted on 11/13/2023 5:32:29 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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Let's say America was taken over by Marxists. Would you be loyal?

Let's say America's official religion was declared as Islam. Would you be loyal?

Let's say America's official language was declared to be Spanish. Would you be loyal?

Let's say Biden demanded on penalty of death that all Americans hand over their arms, possessions, and money over to FEDGOV and get injected with some death serum invented by Bill Gates to comply with "the New Economy".

WOULD YOU BE LOYAL?

9 posted on 11/13/2023 5:37:45 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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Loyalty can only be applied to a commitment.

America is not a commitment... it’s a place.

The Constitution is a commitment... a commitment to principles.. and subservient to even higher principles which should align... such as our principles for and commitments to God.

Remaining loyal to “America” is better termed as the principles upon which it was founded.

Even the founding fathers understood this distinction... “Here is your republic.. if you can keep it.”


10 posted on 11/13/2023 5:40:28 PM PST by Safrguns
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How about more billions for Ukraine, that’s okay right?


11 posted on 11/13/2023 5:45:48 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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I’m loyal to the Judeo-Christian America that recognizes Israel as an important ally and a source of blessing from God when we help it. If we stop helping it, then we are bringing a curse from God upon ourselves as per the Holy Scriptures.

If America throws away everything that makes it America, there will be no America to be loyal to.

It’s the sticks and stones you have to watch out for, not the name-calling.


13 posted on 11/13/2023 5:54:08 PM PST by skr (Righteousness exalteth a nation: sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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Loyalty to America is loyalty to the service of others, protection of individual rights and the rule of laws.


14 posted on 11/13/2023 5:56:14 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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"Or does loyalty to America depend on subservience to another country? IOW, subservience which requires total lack of criticism, total agreement, to avoid malignant name calling? "

So not only can you not post properly, your question is based on a fantasy or a lie.
The US has never been subservient to Israel. Israel is constantly criticized by its supporters and everyone else. Stop onanizing to your fantasy victimhood online and get professional help.
18 posted on 11/13/2023 6:10:27 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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Another closely equivalent word is allegiance.


19 posted on 11/13/2023 6:10:48 PM PST by imardmd1 (To learn is to live. To live is to teach another. Fiat Lux!)
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Loyal to what?

Do you lick the boots of Biden and his FBI? If not, does that make you disloyal to America?


21 posted on 11/13/2023 6:15:41 PM PST by Tipllub
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you’re either an American, or you’re not...


23 posted on 11/13/2023 6:16:33 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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I didn’t quit it... It quit me...


31 posted on 11/13/2023 6:26:10 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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What you are doing is called sophistry. A good and decent people were attacked in the most hideous ways imaginable. Women literally raped to death. I didn’t even know that was possible. Broke their legs out of sockets spreading them so violently. A baby baked alive in an oven. Dancing kids mowed down. Taunting messages to parents.
Only a selfish prick or a total coward refuses to ride to the aid of someone in that boat.


33 posted on 11/13/2023 6:36:07 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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This is hugh and series.


39 posted on 11/13/2023 6:45:29 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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I have sworn to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.

I have sworn no such oath to any other Earthly power.

I am loyal to God first.

I do not approve of dual citizenship; were I eligible for such, I would not take advantage of it.


40 posted on 11/13/2023 6:45:53 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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America is becoming a real s-hole. It is just the rest of the world is more of a s-hole so America is still the best place to live, for now.


41 posted on 11/13/2023 6:46:54 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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This is my home.I have ancestral roots through my Mojave bloodlines. I have worn the uniforlm, swore an unending oath, and have put my butt on the line for my country.
I have seen other countries and other forms of government.
There is no competition. My country is and has been from the onset, the only form of government that has stood for individual self-governence. No other form of government allows such an idea to exist.

Loyalty to one’s country does not mean blind obedience. Every political action converning the country should ne asked, “Will the country benefit from this?”, AND NOT, :what will i get out of this?”

Lastly, from times ancient, there was the admonishment:
“Honor the gods, love your country, love your woman.”
There may be those among y’all, that might “have a problem” with any part of that statement. That is o.k.! That is you, and you are not me.

I am a ‘rabid Americs”, first, last, and always!


50 posted on 11/13/2023 7:05:06 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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