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Posted on 11/13/2023 5:25:29 PM PST by Gratia

A question


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Is it OK to have your sole loyalty belong to America?

Or does loyalty to America depend on subservience to another country? IOW, subservience which requires total lack of criticism, total agreement, to avoid malignant name calling?

1 posted on 11/13/2023 5:25:29 PM PST by Gratia
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To: Gratia

Are you logged in?


2 posted on 11/13/2023 5:25:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: Gratia

You’re going to have to give an example. The question is kind of unclear.


3 posted on 11/13/2023 5:27:13 PM PST by Theo (FReeping since 1997 ... drain the swamp.)
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To: Gratia

Cute.

We know what you are really asking.

My loyalty to America is wavering because of what we are becoming, however, let us stipulate my loyalty is at the former levels.

It is okay to ALSO favor decent treatment of Israel and to shield her from muslims and their atrocities.


4 posted on 11/13/2023 5:28:14 PM PST by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: Theo

Should be obvious. He’s (She’s?) talking about Israel.


5 posted on 11/13/2023 5:28:47 PM PST by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: Gratia

Christian first. Alabamian second. American third.


6 posted on 11/13/2023 5:30:48 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Gratia

Is the Pledge of Allegiance still relevant to you?

There’s your answer.


7 posted on 11/13/2023 5:32:29 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: Tell It Right

Or to put it another way...

God. Family. Country.


8 posted on 11/13/2023 5:33:40 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: Gratia
Let's say America was taken over by Marxists. Would you be loyal?

Let's say America's official religion was declared as Islam. Would you be loyal?

Let's say America's official language was declared to be Spanish. Would you be loyal?

Let's say Biden demanded on penalty of death that all Americans hand over their arms, possessions, and money over to FEDGOV and get injected with some death serum invented by Bill Gates to comply with "the New Economy".

WOULD YOU BE LOYAL?

9 posted on 11/13/2023 5:37:45 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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Loyalty can only be applied to a commitment.

America is not a commitment... it’s a place.

The Constitution is a commitment... a commitment to principles.. and subservient to even higher principles which should align... such as our principles for and commitments to God.

Remaining loyal to “America” is better termed as the principles upon which it was founded.

Even the founding fathers understood this distinction... “Here is your republic.. if you can keep it.”


10 posted on 11/13/2023 5:40:28 PM PST by Safrguns
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How about more billions for Ukraine, that’s okay right?


11 posted on 11/13/2023 5:45:48 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: Lazamataz

There is a reason you know what I am asking.

Search your conscience and ask.

Is there a single criticism which is not answered by accusations of innate hatred?

Exactly the type of accusations made against MAGA and white people? And exactly the same intolerance for reasonable discussion? Just vituperation.

How many people self-censor, not even permitting themselves to consider any issue, to avoid name calling? Isn’t this the precise ongoing powerful issue facing MAGA and white people? The unanswerable accusation? The psychological circumstance which is a continual source ongoing defeat for MAGA and white people?


12 posted on 11/13/2023 5:46:50 PM PST by Gratia
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I’m loyal to the Judeo-Christian America that recognizes Israel as an important ally and a source of blessing from God when we help it. If we stop helping it, then we are bringing a curse from God upon ourselves as per the Holy Scriptures.

If America throws away everything that makes it America, there will be no America to be loyal to.

It’s the sticks and stones you have to watch out for, not the name-calling.


13 posted on 11/13/2023 5:54:08 PM PST by skr (Righteousness exalteth a nation: sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Gratia

Loyalty to America is loyalty to the service of others, protection of individual rights and the rule of laws.


14 posted on 11/13/2023 5:56:14 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: Safrguns

Good answer.


15 posted on 11/13/2023 5:59:10 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Lazamataz

“It is okay to ALSO favor decent treatment of Israel and to shield her from muslims and their atrocities.”

Answer yourself. Is there any shortage of criticism of muslim atrocities, criticism deservedly so?

Is it OK to favor decent treatment of MAGA people and white people?

Just for example, is it OK to be white? Will you say so?

Examine your conscience. How is decency and name calling apportioned in there?


16 posted on 11/13/2023 6:01:48 PM PST by Gratia
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

It wouldn’t be America anymore. So my loyalty would not be in question. I am loyal to the idea of America as originally founded.


17 posted on 11/13/2023 6:09:51 PM PST by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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"Or does loyalty to America depend on subservience to another country? IOW, subservience which requires total lack of criticism, total agreement, to avoid malignant name calling? "

So not only can you not post properly, your question is based on a fantasy or a lie.
The US has never been subservient to Israel. Israel is constantly criticized by its supporters and everyone else. Stop onanizing to your fantasy victimhood online and get professional help.
18 posted on 11/13/2023 6:10:27 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: Gratia

Another closely equivalent word is allegiance.


19 posted on 11/13/2023 6:10:48 PM PST by imardmd1 (To learn is to live. To live is to teach another. Fiat Lux!)
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To: skr

“I’m loyal to the Judeo-Christian America”

There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian. This absurd phrase is brainwashing.

Jesus was the Son of God, sent to save us, crucified and resurrected. That is Christian.

Anyone who does not believe that cannot be attached to Christianity in any respect, even if it feels good and sounds virtuous. Maybe it protects from name calling.


20 posted on 11/13/2023 6:12:03 PM PST by Gratia
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