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New, exhaustive study probes hidden history of horses in the American West
ScienceDaily ^ | March 30, 2023 | Original written by Daniel Strain, Nicholas Goda, University of Colorado at Boulder

Posted on 04/11/2023 9:34:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Indigenous peoples as far north as Wyoming and Idaho may have begun to care for horses by the first half of the 17th Century, according to a new study by researchers from 15 countries and multiple Native American groups.

A team of international researchers has dug into archaeological records, DNA evidence and Indigenous oral traditions to paint what might be the most exhaustive history of early horses in North America to date. The group's findings show that these beasts of burden may have spread throughout the American West much faster and earlier than many European accounts have suggested...

To tell the stories of horses in the West, the team closely examined about two dozen sets of animal remains found at sites ranging from New Mexico to Kansas and Idaho. The researchers come from 15 countries and multiple Native American groups, including the Lakota, Comanche and Pawnee nations...

For many of the scientists involved, the research holds deep personal significance, added Taylor, who grew up in Montana where his grandfather was a rancher...

The researchers drew on archaeozoology, radiocarbon dating, DNA sequencing and other tools to unearth how and when horses first arrived in various regions of today's United States. Based on the team's calculations, Indigenous communities were likely riding and raising horses as far north as Idaho and Wyoming by at least the first half of the 17th Century -- as much as a century before records from Europeans had suggested.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: animalhusbandry; c14; comanche; danielstrain; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; horse; horses; idaho; kansas; lakota; newmexico; nicholasgoda; pawnee; radiocarbondating; wyoming
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Landmark study on history of horses in American West relies on Indigenous knowledge

1 posted on 04/11/2023 9:34:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 04/11/2023 9:35:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, they actually had horses long before that. But the natives ate them into extinction rather than riding them.


3 posted on 04/11/2023 9:38:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: SunkenCiv

IIRC someone brought in a bunch of camels too.


4 posted on 04/11/2023 9:40:52 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: SunkenCiv

Notice the language in the excerpt. “Native Americans” “CARE” for horses.

Evil white Europeans “use” and “exploit” them. Those are the terms I’m used to in writings about animals. But mention any other group - they care for them.

Yup, I’m cynical.

As for this, regardless, I have to wonder how Indians took advantage (another term) of horses. Are they implying Indians figured it all out themselves? Which they could, but I have to think much came from seeing the white man. Never mind whites gave them horses at all. Thanks, whites!


5 posted on 04/11/2023 9:42:09 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Horse ancestors originated in NA. But disappeared long before any Indians or other humans were here.


6 posted on 04/11/2023 9:43:32 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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To: SunkenCiv

What did Indians get around on before we brought over horses?


7 posted on 04/11/2023 9:49:29 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Shanks Mare


8 posted on 04/11/2023 9:53:20 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Genocide is here. Leftist extremists are spearhheading the Genocide against conservatives. )
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To: ConservativeMind

The Comanches were an easy target for other, more martially proficient tribes until they acquired horses, after which they became feared by Indian and white man alike.


9 posted on 04/11/2023 9:53:44 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Shank’s mare.


10 posted on 04/11/2023 9:54:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Not likely, they died with all the other megafauna during the beginning of the Younger Dryas.


11 posted on 04/11/2023 9:55:19 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: ryderann

I think it was our military who invested in Camels. Anothr brilliant move.


12 posted on 04/11/2023 9:59:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: the OlLine Rebel
You would have found, "Dances with wolves" as manipulative as I did. The evil white men even shoot that heroic horse with the name "Cisco." Then they shot the wolf, they shot each other, of course they shot Indians, they shot everybody, alas, but Kevin Costner.


13 posted on 04/11/2023 9:59:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: ClearCase_guy

There’s a range of opinion of course, of course.

There’s a very small amount of scientifically dated remains of humans and animals from North American (and S A and the Caribbean for that matter) that antedate 1492.

Artifacts and petroglyphs related to horses have mostly not been scientifically dated (and thanks to NAGPRA etc, probably never will be), and oral traditions are, uh, fluid and not generally trustworthy, irrespective of their geographical and ethnic source.

Anyway, here’s one take on the “we had horses before Columbus” view:

https://ictnews.org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came


14 posted on 04/11/2023 10:01:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_the_United_States#History


15 posted on 04/11/2023 10:01:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization
The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


16 posted on 04/11/2023 10:04:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: ryderann

I know, it started the whole continent smoking. Hey, at least there aren’t millions of ancient filter butts around.


17 posted on 04/11/2023 10:05:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I grok that.


18 posted on 04/11/2023 10:05:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: SunkenCiv
DNA evidence, for example, suggests that most Indigenous horses had descended from Spanish and Iberian horses, with British horses becoming more common in the 18th and 19th Centuries.

Iberian horses, of course, suggests a strong Arabian influence introduced by the Moors that bore the wonderful traits of those horses, endurance, density of bone, bottom, and intelligence. There is scarcely a breed in the world that is not improved by introduction of Arabian blood. By the 18th and 19th century the British horses referred to already had Arabian genes already bread into many.


19 posted on 04/11/2023 10:08:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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Most of the "cactus hill" keyword:

20 posted on 04/11/2023 10:10:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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