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Time May Not Exist at All, According to Physics
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | April 25, 2022 | SAM BARON

Posted on 04/25/2022 7:54:20 AM PDT by Red Badger

Does time exist? The answer to this question may seem obvious: Of course it does! Just look at a calendar or a clock.

But developments in physics suggest the non-existence of time is an open possibility, and one that we should take seriously.

How can that be, and what would it mean? It'll take a little while to explain, but don't worry: Even if time doesn't exist, our lives will go on as usual.

A crisis in physics Physics is in crisis. For the past century or so, we have explained the Universe with two wildly successful physical theories: general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Quantum mechanics describes how things work in the incredibly tiny world of particles and particle interactions. General relativity describes the big picture of gravity and how objects move.

Both theories work extremely well in their own right, but the two are thought to conflict with one another. Though the exact nature of the conflict is controversial, scientists generally agree both theories need to be replaced with a new, more general theory.

Physicists want to produce a theory of "quantum gravity" that replaces general relativity and quantum mechanics, while capturing the extraordinary success of both. Such a theory would explain how gravity's big picture works at the miniature scale of particles.

Time in quantum gravity It turns out that producing a theory of quantum gravity is extraordinarily difficult.

One attempt to overcome the conflict between the two theories is string theory. String theory replaces particles with strings vibrating in as many as 11 dimensions.

However, string theory faces a further difficulty. String theories provide a range of models that describe a Universe broadly like our own, and they don't really make any clear predictions that can be tested by experiments to figure out which model is the right one.

In the 1980s and 1990s, many physicists became dissatisfied with string theory and came up with a range of new mathematical approaches to quantum gravity.

One of the most prominent of these is loop quantum gravity, which proposes that the fabric of space and time is made of a network of extremely small discrete chunks, or "loops".

One of the remarkable aspects of loop quantum gravity is that it appears to eliminate time entirely.

Loop quantum gravity is not alone in abolishing time: A number of other approaches also seem to remove time as a fundamental aspect of reality.

Emergent time So we know we need a new physical theory to explain the Universe, and that this theory might not feature time.

Suppose such a theory turns out to be correct. Would it follow that time does not exist?

It's complicated, and it depends what we mean by exist.

Theories of physics don't include any tables, chairs, or people, and yet we still accept that tables, chairs, and people exist.

Why? Because we assume that such things exist at a higher level than the level described by physics.

We say that tables, for example, "emerge" from an underlying physics of particles whizzing around the Universe.

But while we have a pretty good sense of how a table might be made out of fundamental particles, we have no idea how time might be "made out of" something more fundamental.

So unless we can come up with a good account of how time emerges, it is not clear we can simply assume time exists.

Time might not exist at any level.

Time and agency Saying that time does not exist at any level is like saying that there are no tables at all.

Trying to get by in a world without tables might be tough, but managing in a world without time seems positively disastrous.

Our entire lives are built around time. We plan for the future, in light of what we know about the past. We hold people morally accountable for their past actions, with an eye to reprimanding them later on.

We believe ourselves to be agents (entities that can do things) in part because we can plan to act in a way that will bring about changes in the future.

But what's the point of acting to bring about a change in the future when, in a very real sense, there is no future to act for?

What's the point of punishing someone for a past action, when there is no past and so, apparently, no such action?

The discovery that time does not exist would seem to bring the entire world to a grinding halt. We would have no reason to get out of bed.

Business as usual There is a way out of the mess.

While physics might eliminate time, it seems to leave causation intact: the sense in which one thing can bring about another.

Perhaps what physics is telling us, then, is that causation and not time is the basic feature of our Universe.

If that's right, then agency can still survive. For it is possible to reconstruct a sense of agency entirely in causal terms.

At least, that's what Kristie Miller, Jonathan Tallant, and I argue in our new book.

We suggest the discovery that time does not exist may have no direct impact on our lives, even while it propels physics into a new era. Sam Baron, Associate professor, Australian Catholic University.


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: astronomy; faithandphilosophy; loopquantumgravity; physics; relativity; science; stringtheory
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First version of this classic song By Sandy Denny & The Strawbs 1967. Sandy rerecorded this song with Fairport Convention in 1969. Enjoy!
Sandy Denny & The Strawbs-Who Knows Where The Time Goes-1967 | June 1, 2009 | n28a72
Sandy Denny & The Strawbs-Who Knows Where The Time Goes-1967 | June 1, 2009 | n28a72

181 posted on 04/25/2022 11:39:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

182 posted on 04/25/2022 11:42:49 AM PDT by abb
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To: SunkenCiv

No wonder the last 88 years seems to have gone by so quickly...😩


183 posted on 04/25/2022 11:44:40 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: SunkenCiv

No wonder the last 88 years seems to have gone by so quickly...😩


184 posted on 04/25/2022 11:44:48 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: SunkenCiv

No wonder the last 88 years seems to have gone by so quickly...😩


185 posted on 04/25/2022 11:44:52 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: Ezekiel
An artist out of time.


186 posted on 04/25/2022 11:45:48 AM PDT by Daffynition (*This admin tells us *A* story; but they don't tell us *THE* story* & :) ~ D Bongino)
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To: SuperLuminal
You can say that again.
Rimshot!

187 posted on 04/25/2022 11:49:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Ezekiel
A little birdie told me....


188 posted on 04/25/2022 11:50:41 AM PDT by Daffynition (*This admin tells us *A* story; but they don't tell us *THE* story* & :) ~ D Bongino)
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To: left that other site

I certainly hope so!............


189 posted on 04/25/2022 11:50:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: abb
[demo] Recorded at home, Byfield Northants, June 1976
Sandy Denny - By The Time It Gets Dark
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Sandy Denny - By The Time It Gets Dark | January 28, 2013 | gnossisdodge

190 posted on 04/25/2022 11:52:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Red Badger

I was just seeing how far i could string you along.

I had a theory about it. :-)


191 posted on 04/25/2022 11:55:56 AM PDT by left that other site (Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.)
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To: SunkenCiv

And for us older farts, there’s this 1970 classic:

Friends Of Distinction - Time Waits For No One (from vinyl 45) (1970)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLutnx7-H28


192 posted on 04/25/2022 11:58:35 AM PDT by abb
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To: Red Badger

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

—Douglas Adams


193 posted on 04/25/2022 11:58:54 AM PDT by Mr170IQ
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To: abb

Yeah, “time may not exist” is a tough sell for us at this point. ;^)

Ambrosia - Time Waits For No One (1975) - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsmHXCKQzXE


194 posted on 04/25/2022 12:03:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Leaning Right
Maybe there’s nothin practical left to investigate.

I’m sure you recall what Feynman had to say about quantum mechanics. Until we really understand QM at least to a level comprehensible by the great Richard Feynman, there is plenty to investigate.

195 posted on 04/25/2022 12:04:33 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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A new 2018 remix of the overdubbed version which was available on the Reprise GREATEST HITS LP, and was eventually featured on the soundtracks of GOOD MORNING VIETNAM and THE DREW CAREY SHOW, remixed with centered vocals and stereo backing giving a more "3-track" feel than the old sound of stereo strings over an otherwise monophonic track.
The Vogues - Five O'Clock World (2018 Remix of the 'Reprise' overdubbed version)
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The Vogues - Five O'Clock World (2018 Remix of the 'Reprise' overdubbed version) | October 24, 2018 | Upstate Media

196 posted on 04/25/2022 12:10:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Red Badger

I’m guessing all ‘time’ exists simultaneously - more like a solid than a line...

Man goes around the moon comes back one second younger and since ‘man is NOT the measure of all things’ - he arrives in a different part of the solid.


197 posted on 04/25/2022 12:16:12 PM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC bimbos 'feel' companies that groom children shouldn't have to pay taxes.)
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To: Red Badger

Must be why time is so hard to manipulate; you can’t manipulate something that doesn’t exist.


198 posted on 04/25/2022 12:24:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: GOPJ

Some theorize that TIME is like a rope or cable strung between two ‘endpoints’, the beginning of Time and the ending of Time.

The cable/rope itself does not move. You move along it, but in just one direction. You can move backwards but not with the current technology.......................


199 posted on 04/25/2022 12:33:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Leaning Right
"Now it seems like they’re all obsessed with science fiction stuff, like parallel universes and string theory. The math might work, but there is no hard experimental evidence. And in the case of string theory, it’s thought that there can never be any hard experimental evidence. Maybe there’s nothin practical left to investigate."

The author's CV suggests a teacher who could not cut it on the Engineering side of Physics: an 'associate professor' from Australian Catholic University, which has never produced a Nobel or even a Laurentz or Fields candidate.

200 posted on 04/25/2022 12:34:02 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Enjoy the parade of Putlim Soviet c!rclejerkers lining up for the Tedlim-style putsch)
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