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America Has Lost the Plot on COVID
Atlantic Monthly ^ | November 1, 2021 | Sarah Zhang

Posted on 11/09/2021 5:12:46 PM PST by Pontiac

We know how this ends: Coronavirus becomes endemic, and we live with it forever. But what we don’t know—and what the U.S. seems to have no coherent plan for—is how we are supposed to get there. We’ve avoided the hard questions whose answers will determine what life looks like in the next weeks, months, and years: When are restrictions lifted? And what long-term measures do we keep, if any, when we reach endemicity?

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Here are some answers I got from scientific experts: hospitalizations and deaths, but stratified by age and vaccination status; a combination of vaccination rate and local transmission; a combination of vaccination rate and hospitalizations; a combination of long-COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths; a combination of case growth rate, testing uptake, vaccination rate, and hospitalizations. San Francisco and seven other Bay Area counties recently set three-pronged criteria for lifting indoor mask mandates: (1) Community transmission is moderate, as defined by the CDC, for at least three weeks, (2) hospitalization numbers are low and stable, and (3) 80 percent of the total population is fully vaccinated or eight weeks have passed since COVID-19 vaccines have been available for kids age 5 to 11.

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To prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, the key group we need to vaccinate is really the elderly. The risk of hospitalization for an unvaccinated person over 80 is 25 times that for an unvaccinated person under 18. A Financial Times analysis of data from the U.K. found vaccinating 25,000 children had the same effect on hospitalizations as vaccinating just 800 adults over age 60. Unvaccinated elderly adults are just that much more likely to become severely ill with COVID-19. You can’t compensate for a low vaccination rate among older adults by vaccinating more people in younger groups, says Müge Çevik, a virologist at the University of St. Andrews.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid; tyranny
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To: Fledermaus

“Do you believe flu shots are vaccines?”

What do you think they are?


61 posted on 11/09/2021 6:46:41 PM PST by Pelham (Q is short for quack)
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To: Pontiac

What do you expect from the Atlantic?


62 posted on 11/09/2021 6:46:47 PM PST by sauropod
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To: joethedrummer

“Yes, as long as it’s a REAL vaccine.”

What’s the definition of a real vaccine?


63 posted on 11/09/2021 6:49:15 PM PST by Pelham (Q is short for quack)
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To: yesthatjallen
The issue is our government is going to us Covid to create new laws and new restrictions to control every aspect of your life.

Very true.

This manufactured crisis is a tool to increase government power.

And it seems that their primary goal is to eliminate entrepreneurship. They want to totally eliminate businesses.

All of the restrictions on people focus primarily on small businesses. In effect driving the small business in to bankruptcy will large corporations go on with business mostly as usual.

64 posted on 11/09/2021 6:49:55 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: MarMema

The Cold and the flu have not gone away with the help of Vaccines. Covid is in the same group.


65 posted on 11/09/2021 6:53:13 PM PST by GregH
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To: sauropod
What do you expect from the Atlantic?

Oh, pretty much what we have here.

A logically argued article that is severely limited in scope so as to further the Leftist agenda.

It makes sense as far as it goes, but does not explore any options other than vaccines. Must support vaccines because that is the only solution that benefits Leftist billionaires and furthers the Socialist Global Agenda.

66 posted on 11/09/2021 6:55:53 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: MarMema
That’s how diseases are sent away....with vaccinations.

Exactly. That's how we sent away influenza as well. Oh, wait....
67 posted on 11/09/2021 6:56:16 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Boogieman

Rabies. Yellow fever.

I am following two emerging pathogens. Nipah and Hendra.

What all you conservatives should if you don’t want the vaccines is get on Prozac and take a low dose aspirin every day if your Dr says ok.

Have you seen the news lately about Prozac and covid?


68 posted on 11/09/2021 7:00:54 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Not enough people have been vaccinated.

It's kind of a shame that you've turned into a vax talking-points posting-bot.

At what point will enough be vaccinated? Go look at the numbers in Germany. They're at 67% total population, much higher in the older age ranges. And yet, their case counts are spiking to all-time highs and their death count is trending up again.
69 posted on 11/09/2021 7:01:07 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Antoninus

But flu shots have been enormously helpful in saving lives.
When they guess well.


70 posted on 11/09/2021 7:01:53 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

That’s how viruses spread an mutate, with leaky “ vaccines” that neither kill the infection or stop its spread. That’s how citizens are murdered, with mRNA shots that have debilitating side effects and cause myocarditis in children. If you need links let me know


71 posted on 11/09/2021 7:02:50 PM PST by gracefullyparanoid
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To: Antoninus

67% is nothing. Seriously.
Roughly 27 million are unvaxxed.


72 posted on 11/09/2021 7:04:42 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Pelham

“What’s the definition of a real vaccine?“

Ummm… maybe something that prevents the contraction of a virus or disease; not some chemicals that simply mask symptoms a little bit.. (but you can still catch and spread it)

But hey, go ahead and prove your allegiance to Dear Leader.. after all, it WAS a free country…


73 posted on 11/09/2021 7:05:17 PM PST by joethedrummer (We can’t vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: DSH
Heh. Okay, so you are either a troll or just very, very stupid. Or both.

Actually, he is much, much smarter than all of us.

Just ask him.

74 posted on 11/09/2021 7:05:28 PM PST by UNGN
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To: Pontiac

It is, in fact, what has worked historically.
Time and time again.


75 posted on 11/09/2021 7:06:35 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Are you really this dumb? Where is your proof that children are behind this.


76 posted on 11/09/2021 7:06:38 PM PST by GregH
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To: MarMema
But flu shots have been enormously helpful in saving lives.

Keep repeating that to yourself over and over and at some point, it may become true.
77 posted on 11/09/2021 7:06:57 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: UNGN; DSH

Cheap insults from the medically ignorant have never dissuaded me.

have you seen the populations dying enmasse by red or blue?
Trump voters were dropping like flies in the south a few months ago.

So where does that leave those of us who did vaccinate?


78 posted on 11/09/2021 7:09:10 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

“Rabies. Yellow fever.”

Those diseases haven’t been eradicated.


79 posted on 11/09/2021 7:14:44 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: MarMema

I am not sure you replied to the correct post.


80 posted on 11/09/2021 7:15:09 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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