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America Has Lost the Plot on COVID
Atlantic Monthly ^ | November 1, 2021 | Sarah Zhang

Posted on 11/09/2021 5:12:46 PM PST by Pontiac

We know how this ends: Coronavirus becomes endemic, and we live with it forever. But what we don’t know—and what the U.S. seems to have no coherent plan for—is how we are supposed to get there. We’ve avoided the hard questions whose answers will determine what life looks like in the next weeks, months, and years: When are restrictions lifted? And what long-term measures do we keep, if any, when we reach endemicity?

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Here are some answers I got from scientific experts: hospitalizations and deaths, but stratified by age and vaccination status; a combination of vaccination rate and local transmission; a combination of vaccination rate and hospitalizations; a combination of long-COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths; a combination of case growth rate, testing uptake, vaccination rate, and hospitalizations. San Francisco and seven other Bay Area counties recently set three-pronged criteria for lifting indoor mask mandates: (1) Community transmission is moderate, as defined by the CDC, for at least three weeks, (2) hospitalization numbers are low and stable, and (3) 80 percent of the total population is fully vaccinated or eight weeks have passed since COVID-19 vaccines have been available for kids age 5 to 11.

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To prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, the key group we need to vaccinate is really the elderly. The risk of hospitalization for an unvaccinated person over 80 is 25 times that for an unvaccinated person under 18. A Financial Times analysis of data from the U.K. found vaccinating 25,000 children had the same effect on hospitalizations as vaccinating just 800 adults over age 60. Unvaccinated elderly adults are just that much more likely to become severely ill with COVID-19. You can’t compensate for a low vaccination rate among older adults by vaccinating more people in younger groups, says Müge Çevik, a virologist at the University of St. Andrews.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid; tyranny
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To: Pontiac
To prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, the key group we need to vaccinate is really the elderly.

I'm almost 70. All my doctors have told me I should not get the Covid shot.

21 posted on 11/09/2021 5:30:03 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: MarMema
I will be sure to stop by and let you know how healthy I am periodically. 😂😂😂

You be sure to do that. There were 60,423 people who died of COVID in September 2021 who won't be able to do so. Nor will the 31,733 (and counting) from October 2021.

If the vaccines work to prevent death, why is it the case, when millions of Americans have now been vaccinated, COVID deaths are way, way up compared to the same time last year, when no one had been vaccinated?

22 posted on 11/09/2021 5:30:55 PM PST by DSH
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To: hinckley buzzard

Some other viruses have animal reservoirs or vectors and were eradicated by vaccines. That really has nothing to do with it.

https://www.babygaga.com/10-diseases-eradicated-through-vaccination/


23 posted on 11/09/2021 5:31:52 PM PST by MarMema
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To: DSH

Not enough people have been vaccinated.


24 posted on 11/09/2021 5:34:37 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
The only immunity the various inoculations provide is against woke-driven job loss. The British have exposed the balderdash that is the current COVID-19 “vaccine”. Notice that there is little talk about the so-called breakthrough infections, that in some locales the new cases are 60% fully vaccinated people?

Show your data. Don't depend on the people in Washington DC who have a conflict of interest in judging the actual effects.

Remember who is immune to lawsuits. Remember who recommended to OSHA that they set aside their reporting rule for adverse reactions to inoculation. Remember that reporting adverse reactions is not mandated, so that some small percentage of adverse events are reported to the CDC.

25 posted on 11/09/2021 5:36:30 PM PST by asinclair (Political hot air is a renewable energy resource)
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To: MarMema
"That’s how diseases are sent away....with vaccinations.
Start with smallpox and polio. If you need links let me know."

I agree with you generally about vaccine but these COVID clot-shots do not work and the mRNA vaccines are killing for too many people.

If these vaccines actually worked people would line up and pay hard earned money to get them.

Try not to be such a gullible twit.

26 posted on 11/09/2021 5:37:43 PM PST by WMarshal ("Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither.")
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To: Pontiac
 
 
The concern I have with all this institutionalized malicious focus on Covid is having all sorts of other dangerous maladies slide in on us under the background noise. The focus is all on Covid and it looks near impossible to shift off of it.
 
 

27 posted on 11/09/2021 5:38:09 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: MarMema

Spanish flu ran it’s course in 2 years and two months.
Just sayin’


28 posted on 11/09/2021 5:40:44 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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To: MarMema

I know people that have gotten Covid twice (they worked on a Covid floor of a Hospital). They didn’t get it a 3rd time (and probably won’t).

Vaccination immunity IS NOT and has never been better than Natural immunity for the vast amount of people infected with diseases.

The Immunity provided by these vaccines is TERRIBLE. There weren’t be boosters if it wasn’t terrible. duh.


29 posted on 11/09/2021 5:40:57 PM PST by UNGN
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To: Pontiac

Rabies, polio, mumps, measles, influenza.

Dengue.


30 posted on 11/09/2021 5:42:12 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

This vaccine has nothing to do with the smallpox and polio.vaccines.


31 posted on 11/09/2021 5:45:21 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: UNGN

My immunity has been terrific and science has shown that vaccine immunity is superior.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-vaccine-offers-more-protection-than-natural-immunity-cdc-5208617

There is a good reason for this and I can explain it to you if you like. Its the same reason they use monoclonal antibodies as a treatment for covid instead of poly global antibodies. It has to do with selected antigenicity.


32 posted on 11/09/2021 5:46:37 PM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

“That’s how diseases are sent away....with vaccinations.“

Yes, as long as it’s a REAL vaccine.

These things just cover up symptoms… and mess with a persons blood.

All these things do is create unknowing carriers of a virus that they believe they’re safe from - because the government tells them so.


33 posted on 11/09/2021 5:47:58 PM PST by joethedrummer (We can’t vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: MarMema
Not enough people have been vaccinated

Really dumb take. Where in the world have enough people been vaccinated?

In countries with double the vaccination rates of the US (Singapore), they still have exponential spread among the vaccinated With 1) the unvaccinated unable to go out to eat or to the store, 2) Mandatory outdoor masking AND 3) taking infected 5 year olds away from their parents for 14 days of "covid camp" at the hospital.

Wake up and look around. You don't know what you are talking about.

34 posted on 11/09/2021 5:48:22 PM PST by UNGN
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35 posted on 11/09/2021 5:48:34 PM PST by eldoradude
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To: Irish Eyes

If you re read my post 2 perhaps you will be able to better understand the point.

Historically diseases have been eradicated by vaccines.
https://www.babygaga.com/10-diseases-eradicated-through-vaccination/


36 posted on 11/09/2021 5:49:38 PM PST by MarMema
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To: UNGN

You can’t make it black and white like that.The JJ vaccine had a very low efficacy rate compared to Moderna which had the highest.

Do you know which vaccine is used in Singapore?

What is more children have yet to be vaccinated anywhere and still contribute substantially to spreading covid.

If epidemiology were so easy, all of the people who are now keyboard epidemiologists would know what they are talking about...but. They don’t.😂😂


37 posted on 11/09/2021 5:56:30 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Pontiac
The risk of hospitalization for an unvaccinated person over 80 is 25 times that for an unvaccinated person under 18.

I'd wager that he risk of hospitalization for ANY person over 80 is 25 times that for ANY person under 18, COVID or NO COVID.

That's just the way life works.

38 posted on 11/09/2021 5:56:38 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“…in any great disaster, there's a Harvard man in the middle of it.” ~ Thomas Sowell)
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To: MarMema

The Study the CDC sites compares previously infected people with shot and without shot and doesn’t compare vaccinated people who have NEVER had covid to people that have had covid.

It is Criminally deceptive.

Francis Collins, POS, cites that study when asked about natural immunity.

Francis Collins new of the Funding of GOF research at the WIV, 18 months before he mentioned it in public.


39 posted on 11/09/2021 5:57:11 PM PST by UNGN
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To: upsdriver

This is a myth. Who said this? Oh wait. I know. The other whackjob...let me think on this...


40 posted on 11/09/2021 5:57:38 PM PST by MarMema
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