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Who pointed the gun?

Posted on 10/27/2021 3:03:53 PM PDT by A Cyrenian

And who pulled the trigger?

Alec Baldwin.

It's that simple.


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To: gundog

I get that it was not AB’s gun, but the Movie’s gun.

That doesn’t change the fact that it was a gun. Being on a movie set doesn’t change the rules for gun control.


21 posted on 10/27/2021 3:29:25 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Critical Marx Theory is The SOLUTION....)
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To: A Cyrenian

There is a near zero chance of this loathsome old fool being convicted of anything related to this incident.

His financial and professional ruination is pretty much assured though...IMO


22 posted on 10/27/2021 3:30:53 PM PDT by Bobalu (Figure out what you like, learn enough to be dangerous, and then start fiddling around)
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To: Veggie Todd

That was 31 years ago.

He also had them in Mission Impossible though.


23 posted on 10/27/2021 3:30:59 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: gw-ington; All

The one operating the weapon is ultimately responsible for knowing how to operate the weapon AND whether or not the weapon is loaded and hot. Baldwin was the operator. He could have chamber-checked the weapon in less than two seconds.


24 posted on 10/27/2021 3:31:40 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: Artemis Webb
Actually it's not and I for one am not going to convict that asshole without all the facts just because I don't like his politics.

He is not only the one who pointed the gun and pulled the trigger... he is also the “producer” that was onscene and decided to continue filming despite numerous safety complaints and a walkout over two “accidental” firings and other problems in the days directly before. The only way he isn't going to be considered criminally negligent is if his leftist allies stir up enough sympathy for him... along with assistance from people like you of course.

25 posted on 10/27/2021 3:32:24 PM PDT by fireman15
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To: A Cyrenian

How many posts about this turkey do we have to have?


26 posted on 10/27/2021 3:33:24 PM PDT by dljordan (Slouching towards Woketopia)
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To: gw-ington
FReepers might disagree with my take, but here it is..

IF and a big IF the firearm was handed to Alec BY ANYONE OTHER* THAN THE ARMORER, THEN ALEC IS CULPABLE because he took the firearm from someone OTHER than the armorer and fired it.

*IF the person who handed Alec the firearm was ACTING OFFICIALLY as the armorer, then.. It's on the acting armorer, not Alec.

This will be a complex case with shifting views and various weight put on degree of responsibility.

Alec and/or the armorer should NEVER have allowed any PROP GUN to DOUBLE as a live fire weapon USING LETHAL ROUNDS for target practice during breaks. THAT IS WHY THIS HAPPENED and that ALONE deserves some JAIL TIME for someone, most likely the ARMORER OR ACTING ARMORER.

27 posted on 10/27/2021 3:33:43 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: JouleZ; All

Yup. All these wannabe “experts” around here should take firearms training from firearms professionals. Half of these clowns don’t know the difference between a cartridge and a bullet.


28 posted on 10/27/2021 3:34:34 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: conservative98

Except for the tattoo that girl looks like a girl I knew a long time ago..

At least I hope that’s a tattoo.....


29 posted on 10/27/2021 3:35:56 PM PDT by Bobalu (Figure out what you like, learn enough to be dangerous, and then start fiddling around)
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To: Paladin2

Look at her shirt.


30 posted on 10/27/2021 3:36:13 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: EEGator
That was 31 years ago.

Seems like yesterday. Where do the years go?

31 posted on 10/27/2021 3:38:13 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (Proudly posting comments without reading the articles since 2002.)
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To: Paladin2; All
Yup. Examples: Firearms used in John Wick movies. These are not “prop” guns.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/John_Wick#Handguns

32 posted on 10/27/2021 3:38:15 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
Still, Baldwin knew that the camera didn't have the ballistic shield set up yet to protect the operators from the dangers of the scene (did they even have one?).

Baldwin also knew that nobody was paying attention because they were still setting up the camera angles.

So even if he were to have had the gun handed to him by the armorer, he had no business removing it from his holster and handling it until the director called ready on the set and for the action to start.

-PJ

33 posted on 10/27/2021 3:38:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Veggie Todd

Faster and faster they go...

I’m actually putting it on now. :)


34 posted on 10/27/2021 3:39:42 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: A Cyrenian

I don’t care who hands me a gun. They can tell me it’s unloaded all they want, but I’m going to assume it’s loaded until I personally verify otherwise. If Baldwin didn’t ensure the gun was unloaded before pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger, he was negligent.


35 posted on 10/27/2021 3:40:37 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: Cobra64
The one operating the weapon is ultimately responsible for knowing how to operate the weapon AND whether or not the weapon is loaded and hot. Baldwin was the operator. He could have chamber-checked the weapon in less than two seconds.

Ok, but I would think that's far above the ability of all clueless, ditsy Hollyweird actors and actresses. I'd tend to put the blame on the prop people whose one and only responsibility is to ensure no live rounds in the guns. The prop department could have two or three people responsible for independently checking, double-checking, and triple-checking before handing the gun to the ditsy, clueless Hollyweird actor who has to worry about memorizing their lines, when to act and speak, where to move, how to interact with the other actors, etc.

36 posted on 10/27/2021 3:41:02 PM PDT by gw-ington (Democrat policies are obviously weakening America, so vote conservative.)
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To: Col Frank Slade

“He’s already dead, Jim.”


37 posted on 10/27/2021 3:42:18 PM PDT by Norski (Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. - Thomas Mann)
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To: conservative98

Somehow I doubt Baldwin interviewed and personally hired her.

P.S. She looks like a slut


38 posted on 10/27/2021 3:42:26 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: CitizenUSA

How many action/western movies have you starred in?


39 posted on 10/27/2021 3:43:19 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: A Cyrenian

I watched a prop directors discuss this on RT TV yesterday

He said there is no clear cut rule with armorers when handing the gun to an actor.

On some sets if the armorer hands it to the actor and if they say it is safe/cold then the actor can fire it and they do not require the actor to check it as it as their word is considered as good as gold it is safe to fire.

When you see a 18 year old girl firing a gun in the movie does she even know how to check it?

Also some armorers get offended if someone or an actor wants to checks their work.

Other armorers are more stringent and require the actor to physically check it.

After this I’m sure all will require the actor to do a final check.


40 posted on 10/27/2021 3:45:02 PM PDT by setter
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