Posted on 10/23/2021 8:28:16 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
The smoking gun that claimed the life of Halyna Hutchins might've been more than just an on-set prop -- it was also being fired recreationally, even when cameras weren't rolling.
Multiple sources directly connected to the 'Rust' production tell TMZ ... the same gun Alec Baldwin accidentally fired -- hitting the DP and director -- was being used by crews members off set as well, for what we're told amounted to target practice.
We're told this off-the-clock shooting -- which was allegedly happening away from the movie lot -- was being done with real bullets
(Excerpt) Read more at tmz.com ...
“(Baldwin) apparently fired twice, and hit two people.”
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It has been widely reported by multiple sources that the projectile passed thru the female cinematographer and then struck the director in the clavicle ...a single bullet w/two victims.
New info in the above post....Baldwin was preacticing whipping the gun out of the holster. Read to end.
Didn’t Alec ever attend a basic NRA gun safety course?
Prop does not mean fake. Any item on a stage for actors to use is call a "prop" and is handled by the Props Dept.
A coffee mug used by actors in a scene is a prop, though it might be a real coffee mug.
Thanks for posting. Does it have a firing pin?
Talk about predestined to fail. Just a bad situation all around.
I’m not a range master but even I could have handled this safely. It’s not that complicated.
and — more importantly — to whoever was putting the gun back among others used for filming.
Been wondering about this person. A TOTAL a hole.
This link explains a lot....
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/tmz-sold-to-fox-1234996721/
This would also explain the comments about recent misfires, not so common with cartridges, but very common in black powder. It may explain how the gun was still loaded after a previous shooting session with live rounds, as unloading is not as easy, or obvious, as removing a cartridge.
Lessons learned. Now let’s just continue with the film with Liz Cheney as the new cinematographer
If it was a rehearsal, they probably told Baldwin to do it again and it set off the jackass's anger and he pointed the gun to dry fire it at them for intimidation. Whoops! I'll bet they weren't behind the camera, but off to the side at a monitor. That's a double whoops.
dumbass anti gun hollywierdo actor probably picked it up and used it not knowing ANY gun rules. Hope he goes to jail for a year or 5.
Bullet lodged in barrel
I’ve seen that happen with handloaded ammo, where a mistake in the loading sequence resulted in a cartridge which was missing its powder charge. In that instance the .357 revolver had a bullet stuck in the forcing cone of the barrel. Luckily the base of the bullet blocked the cylinder from turning and prevented another shot from being fired.
Another thing— I was target shooting with a Colt Single Action Army .45 (the iconic cowboy revolver) and old ammo one day. I was aiming at the center of a 55-gallon drum about 25 yds away, and a couple of the bullets hit the dirt about 10 feet shy of the target. Those rounds were close to being squibs, so I stopped shooting before a bullet ended up stuck inside the barrel.
I doubt that a dirty gun had much to do with its functionality, or the shooting itself really but...
In my case, my rule is that a gun should be cleaned and oiled EVERY time it gets fired, period. Shoot it once, it gets cleaned. Target practice and shoot 30 rounds, it gets cleaned.
How does it affect a gun?
I’ve gone out for target practice and emptied a 50 round box of CCI Mini Mags. Using both a Marlin 39A .22 lever action rifle, and a Llama .22 semi auto pistol.
Not one misfire ever. Not one problem ever. I finally got rid of the pistol, it just wasn’t consistently accurate, but the rifle would hold a 2 inch group even if I went through 2 boxes, 50 rounds each. The firing and ejector mechanisms in the reciever would get pretty messy from carbon fouling, but the barrel never had any problems, and the ejector and trigger assembly never failed.
So a “dirty” gun would probably still work, but due to all the carbon buildup you would be creating unneccesary wear and tear on the firing mechanism if it was used several times, 200 or more rounds, withut being cleaned and oiled.
Some older “cowboy’ type guns might be a little more sensitive to mistreatment...then again, they were used on a daily basis by their contemprary owners, who might not have cleaned them more than once a month...Not that they were actually shot on a daily basis, the “wild, wild west” was a lot less wild than TV and movies have led us to believe. The official movie required “shootout at high noon” actually was very rare. Not many people were brave enough or crazy enough to stand in the middle of the street and let someone pull a gun and try it...
Just one of the myths perpetrated by hollyweird...if you watched Gunsmoke or virtually any western movie, you’d think it happened 3 or 4 times a day...the busiest man in town was the mortician...nope...didn’t happen.
In reality, many were probably a lot like me, my shotgun hasn’t been fired in about 15 years, except for 2 rounds a few months ago when I got and installed a new full choke barrel. I wanted to compare the full and modified barrels. But it is ALWAYS cleaned and oiled twice a year, period. Didn’t fire it for at least a dozen years, cleaned and oiled it twice a year. Time to do it again actually, it’s usually spring and fall...took the 380 out for some target practice a few days ao, 15 shots, cleaned it that night, ready to go again. Any of them, same thing. If I fire one shot, it gets cleaned. Period.
And what does that mean? It means I KNOW I can trust any gun in the place. I am absolutely positive I can pick up that shotgun (made in 1964, 16 gauge winchester model 1200) right now and it will WORK, no guessing involved. My 1940’s Springfield model 15, .22 single shot will WORK, any time I pick it up. Guaranteed, no guesswork, it will work, every time. Even the old POS RG 14 .22 pistol at least 30 years old will work, every time. (same pistol that shot Ronald Rayguns)
Was the gun baldwin used cleaned after they used it for target practice? I have no idea but even if it was dirty, chances are it would work well enough to still be deadly.
Baldwin simply ignored a couple of the most serious rules of firearm safety.
There is no such thing as an unloaded gun. Check it YOURSELF, to be sure. Period. If my father handed me any gun and I didnt immediately open the action and check the chamber, I’d get a serious ass chewing. Yes, it did happen...
Never point a gun at another human you do not fully intend to kill. Period. I’d get in big trouble if I even pointed my BB gun at someone else. No, that did not happen, I knew better.
Baldwin ignored more than that, but those were the main two. And even play acting, he should have gone through serious firearm safety training if he was required to use one.
In other words, just an idiot. Never should have been in the same building with a gun.
-PJ
yes for all blank firing weapons
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