Coronavirus Live Thread. No 12

3/8/2020

[Vermont Lt]

Continuation of the thread.

[CedarDave]

I’m with the good Dr. F, I don’t do cruises; they aren’t my thing. But aside from that, even in normal times, the chance of a norovirus breaking out is high.

[RummyChick]

So now can cruise people get a refund on their cruise?

Still havent called NCL

[bgill]

Lockner = Lookner

[DEPcom]

“Why do you think the data from China inflates the mortality rate?”

I do think the death rate is higher in Wuhan maybe 50K to 100K. They never had control of the virus before it infected everybody in Wuhan. The lock down is the only thing that save the China That is why I discount China data, they can not be trusted.

I am looking at the fact they tested over 150000 people for the virus. My numbers were base off the number of confirm cases and death count. That will change but at the time of the writing, it calculated to 0.7% not the 3.5% WHO is stated. Yes the unresolved cases could turn to a death, but they could find more people who test positive.

I do not see it jumping to the 3.5% that WHO stated. South Korea has a good heath care system and a good hand on the issue.

I have live Korea before, and talk to some friends who have just return from Korea. South Korea has advance in the last 10 years, but they are not there yet. They still have open sewer systems and old-style squatty potties. The virus is transmitted via Feca material. The public squatty potties are not very clean, much like the ones I experience in the Middle East (maybe the reason of the crazy outbreak in Iran).

The US is spread out compare to South Korea. A lot of the Koreans live in dense areas with apartment blocks. They do have single family house dotted in the countryside but that is mostly small farm areas. The densely populated cites will cause the spread to be quicker compare to the US. We do have high populated cities, but they are little bit cleaner. The places we need to worry about is the homeless population on the west coast. Those areas remind me of third world countries.

It is dangerous to anybody with heath issues no matter what age they are. There are some Elderly people with no issues that it will not be affected. The stronger you immune system is the less if affects you.

[RummyChick]

‘I’ll be working from home to be safe’: Kate Couric bows to pressure from Twitter users to self-isolate after spending time with head of New York Port Authority just before he was diagnosed with coronavirus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8093129/Katie-Couric-urged-self-quarantine-Twitter-users-corona-virus-exposure.html

[firebrand]

It was mentioned somewhere, I believe. Not sure.

[justa-hairyape]

Bull crap. After he was leaving and going behind the curtain they shouted those questions. He was already gone. Pence took the question and handled it well. Trump has probably already had it at least once. Lol. He is Super Orangman !

[Black Agnes]

Thx!

Ya, the C/Sepsis treatment thingie is interesting.

We take C daily just because.

We need to make that stateside again.

[justa-hairyape]

Lookner needs gummy bears ! He is losing it.

[TermLimits4All]

I’m thinking the same thing. Wondering what the best stocks to pile a couple grand into would be.

[cgbg]

Lookner on a roll on lack of timely testing data.

I agree with him. It is a critical building block to identify clusters that will need to be quarantined.

Of course, it means nothing unless you are ready and willing to quarantine.

[blueplum]

Clinical presentation and virological assessment of hospitalized cases of coronavirus disease 2019 in a travel-associated transmission cluster

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

Clinical sensitivity of RT-PCR on swabs taken on days 1-5 of symptoms was 100%, with no differences comparing swab and sputum samples taken simultaneously. ...Shedding of viral RNA from sputum oulasted the end of symptoms

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20030502v1.

NOTE COMMENT:

Christian Drosten:

Our comprehensive shedding study on the Munich #COVID2019 cluster: proof of replication in upper resp tract, virus in stool but no live virus isolation fom stool, long shedding but no live iso after 1 week in sputum.

https://twitter.com/c_drosten/status/1236967026150854657

[RummyChick]

I am looking at oil stocks. This is not going to be a long term thing. Saudi just flexing muscle

[firebrand]

Yes, he is. He quoted someone on Facebook who said “We’re all in this together.” This person was dialoguing with those on the site who were bashing the governor of New York and saying he won’t do his job, and this person said yes he will. So will de Blasio. That’s what they’re there for. They have found the work God gave them to do.

[HollyB]

Kuwait: visas suspended. Oh And wedding tent rentals.

https://www.arabtimesonline.com/news/issuing-of-all-visas-to-kuwait-suspended/

[BobL]

“Social distancing is the most effective tool we have right now.”

Nice to see them coming around to what SOME PEOPLE here have been saying for weeks.

[EarlyBird]

TFH = Tin Foil Hat

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Coronavirus exposure puts US Army Europe commander in self-quarantine

TFH On>This was all planned out in the ChiCom’s Biowarfare scenario

TGH Off>

[cgbg]

while they stand right next to each other!

[blueplum]

note also:

Trevor Bedford

@trvrb
23h
Replying to
@trvrb

Thanks to rapid work by
@UWVirology
and
@seattleflustudy
we now have 13 #HCoV19 genomes from Washington State. All 12 of the genomes from community cases have grouped into an emerging outbreak clade.
This figure shows the genetic relationships among these viruses, where all the WA viruses are closely related. Given this shared ancestry pattern, it looks like the large majority of current cases in WA derive from a single introduction event.

Charles Chiu

@cychiu98
Mar 6

Hi all, we submitted the #COVID-19 genome sequence from the viral strain linked to the #GrandPrincess cruise ship off coast of San Francisco to #GISAID. Phylogenetic analysis shows that it clusters with the outbreak clade circulating in Washington State. @UCSF #coronavirus

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1236799358718185472

[BobL]

“Iran Has Far More Coronavirus Cases Than It Is Letting On”

Any MORON knows that, just by the way they loaded up the entire Middle East with the virus, while claiming to have something like 50 cases. Obvious repeat of China with Wuhan.