Posted on 05/29/2019 12:37:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
May 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Speaking with one of the best-known conservative Jews, Dennis Prager, at the PragerU summit last week, world-famous psychologist Jordan Peterson spoke of God and his views of faith. After speaking about his dislike for the question ‘Do you believe in God?’ Peterson said, “I think that Catholicism — that's as sane as people can get.”
Peterson has often been asked about his faith, if he believes in God, and he said the question has always troubled him. He promised a podcast on the matter since he has given his dislike for the question much thought.
He explained, “Who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God if they examined the way they lived? Who would dare say that?”
“To believe, in a Christian sense,” he added, “means that you live it out fully and that's an that's an unbearable task in some sense.”
Then in one long drawn-out, rapid-fire thought, the type that has enthralled his millions of fans, he laid out extemporaneously the vision of a believer in God:
“To be able to accept the structure of existence, the suffering that goes along with it and the disappointment and the betrayal, and to nonetheless act properly; to aim at the good with all your heart; to dispense with the malevolence and your desire for destruction and revenge and all of that; and to face things courageously and to tell the truth to speak the truth and to act it out, that's what it means to believe -- that's what it means -- it doesn't mean to state it, it means to act it out. And, unless you act it out you should be very careful about claiming it. And so, I've never been comfortable saying anything other than I try to act as if God exists because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.”
See the full exchange of Peterson and Prager here.
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Trying to be a witness, brother...trying to be a witness.
aMPU, one can’t prove things by assertion, nor solidify a conclusion by re-assertion. It’s more interesting if you keep that in mind.
“aMPU, one can’t prove things by assertion, nor solidify a conclusion by re-assertion. It’s more interesting if you keep that in mind“
Just stating the fact that what you wrote is not in Scripture.
You should judge your original statement by the same standard...
;-)
A teacher of Catholiciism apply the same standard to her effluence that she erases truth from your posts with? Hah! That’ll be the day. Theboutious pride driving the Org will not accept that challenge!
God bless you for I know your hope is for her deliverance
“God bless you for I know your hope is for her deliverance
I’d like to see her come to saving faith and assurance of salvation in Christ alone.
Catholicism doesn’t save.
Only Christ saves.
He doesn’t do it through rituals, nor religion, nor works, nor mass.
By faith alone in Christ’s finished work.
The most striking thing about your failure to recognize the Scriptural roots of the Mass, is that it flows directly from the way you "eat and drink" without discerning Body. Paul says that those who do this, "have to answer for the Body and Blood of the Lord." (Cor. 11:23-29)
I don't condemn you; it is not my vocation to be your judge. But as Paul warns, it is the Lord's judgment which should concern us.
You seem so thoroughly marinated in anti-Catholic distortions, that you can't recognize the Biblical argument even when it's in quite plain language. Whether there is any remedy for such pervasive prejudice --- probably innocent and inadvertent on your part ---only God knows.
But God is merciful, and I pray His mercy upon all. I will certainly pray for you; and as always, I hope the prayers will be mutual.
Be very careful how you answer, if you do, because your answer may just reveal how ignorant you are. Now pontificate for us, teacher.
“The most striking thing about your failure to recognize the Scriptural roots of the Mass, is that it flows directly from the way you “eat and drink” without discerning Body. Paul says that those who do this, “have to answer for the Body and Blood of the Lord.” (Cor. 11:23-29)”
Misunderstanding of the passage, based on missing the context.
A false argument. Simple as that.
As to your other claims about the mass being Scriptural, it simply isn’t there.
No NT alters for “mass”
No church priests
No sacrifices for Christians.
None of that is found in the NT for the church.
It is staggering to think God left out exactly what you find so important.
“that you can’t recognize the Biblical argument even when it’s in quite plain language.”
To be deep in Scripture is to cease to be Catholic.
Bring forth anyone Catholic, that knows exegesis and the whole of Scripture, and put forth your arguments.
So far ealgeone has consistently and patiently refuted what you’ve posted.
Best.
Either you are a rice dish of some kind or you're a white dude on the outside but Philippino on the inside. Am I close?
It’s why we got all our sailing done for this lifetime. ;o)
I’m not worried, though, as being in the presence of Almighty God and praising Him for eternity will MORE than make up for it.
See! That’s why I could never be competition for you two!
Your problem then becomes trying to convince anyone that the unbloody alleged sacrifice the Catholic priest allegedly participates in is one and the same as the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross which was VERY bloody.
The lack of blood in the present mass negates it from being the same sacrifice as Calvary.
The shedding of blood was critical for an atoning sacrifice, and without the blood, then it CANNOT be the same sacrifice as the one Jesus did because the whole point was the shedding of blood.
Excellent point! Just as Jesus is the "Lamb who was slain from before the foundation of the world", so too are those who are the chosen in Him from before the foundation of the world - when looked at from the level of eternity. All these things happened once time began but even before that it was real in God's view. That is why the sacrifice was a once for all occurrence. We don't have to have it redone every time we sin against God and need a refill on sanctifying grace.
I fully understand why Catholics - especially those who are in charge of new converts - must defend the Catholic dogmas attached to the Eucharist and why it proves so futile to try to look at the subject from a different angle. It goes to the very heart of what Catholicism teaches about justification as well as their insistence for the need of NT priests to continually offer the "sacrifice of the Mass" and the exclusivity they claim to offer believers. I just hope that the light of the truth seeps into the hearts and minds of those who are seeking to know God with all their hearts.
You are dead right on. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I think that way myself, just that many call me that. 😁
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Because Jesus is NOT like an OT sacrifice that had to be offered for sin like the animal.
Jesus gave Himself for us. He laid down His own life.
He did not come to give Himself to us to be used by us so we cold present Him to God on our behalf every time we sinned.
Catholics miss the part about just how much a person sins every day. They are so focused on the outward and external acts just like any works based religion, but God focuses on the heart.
King David, for all his murder and adultery, was still considered a man after God's own heart. The pharisees had the Law down perfectly and could keep it to a *T*, but Jesus had pretty harsh words for them.
Paul had this to say about his works........
Philippians 3:2-15 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord.
For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
For All Catholics depend on them and brag on them, Jesus had this to say also.
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Jesus never denied that mighty works were done.
AMEN!!!!!
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