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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I wrote much on the Biblical origins of the Mass shown in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, Hebrews, and Revelation. I would not be surprised if you missed a lot of it, buried as it in 903+ replies on this incredibly voluminous thread. None of us can read or assimilate or do justice to such turgid torrent of human utterance.

The most striking thing about your failure to recognize the Scriptural roots of the Mass, is that it flows directly from the way you "eat and drink" without discerning Body. Paul says that those who do this, "have to answer for the Body and Blood of the Lord." (Cor. 11:23-29)

I don't condemn you; it is not my vocation to be your judge. But as Paul warns, it is the Lord's judgment which should concern us.

You seem so thoroughly marinated in anti-Catholic distortions, that you can't recognize the Biblical argument even when it's in quite plain language. Whether there is any remedy for such pervasive prejudice --- probably innocent and inadvertent on your part ---only God knows.

But God is merciful, and I pray His mercy upon all. I will certainly pray for you; and as always, I hope the prayers will be mutual.

908 posted on 06/07/2019 6:15:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He set eternity in our hearts; no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end. -Eccl 3:11)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So you, Catholic Teacher, insist you eat the flesh of The Lord Christ (and His blood, somehow). Is that the 'being continuously sacrificed' Jesus or the Flash of the Risen Lord Christ?

Be very careful how you answer, if you do, because your answer may just reveal how ignorant you are. Now pontificate for us, teacher.

909 posted on 06/07/2019 6:21:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; ealgeone

“The most striking thing about your failure to recognize the Scriptural roots of the Mass, is that it flows directly from the way you “eat and drink” without discerning Body. Paul says that those who do this, “have to answer for the Body and Blood of the Lord.” (Cor. 11:23-29)”

Misunderstanding of the passage, based on missing the context.

A false argument. Simple as that.

As to your other claims about the mass being Scriptural, it simply isn’t there.

No NT alters for “mass”
No church priests
No sacrifices for Christians.

None of that is found in the NT for the church.

It is staggering to think God left out exactly what you find so important.

“that you can’t recognize the Biblical argument even when it’s in quite plain language.”

To be deep in Scripture is to cease to be Catholic.

Bring forth anyone Catholic, that knows exegesis and the whole of Scripture, and put forth your arguments.

So far ealgeone has consistently and patiently refuted what you’ve posted.

Best.


910 posted on 06/07/2019 6:24:24 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The most striking thing about your failure to recognize the Scriptural roots of the Mass, is that it flows directly from the way you "eat and drink" without discerning Body. Paul says that those who do this, "have to answer for the Body and Blood of the Lord." (Cor. 11:23-29)

I assume it doesn't occur to you that you could be misunderstanding that verse but I find it interesting that statistically over 60% of Catholics don't believe in the real presence of the Eucharist and of the 30+ percent who do claim they believe, likely half of those only make the claim so as not to look bad in front of other Catholics...

Maybe your religion messed up when they made the claim that bread and wine turn into flesh and blood...Seems they would have said that Jesus' flesh and blood turned into bread and wine instead...I mean, people know if they are eating a piece of bread or not...And Jesus as well as Paul acknowledged that what they were eating and drinking was bread and wine, NOT flesh and blood...You might get a lot more people to believe the fable...

Joh_6:48  I am that bread of life.
Joh_6:51  I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Jesus did not say that he was the meat that came down from Heaven, or that he was the meat of life...

Luk 22:19  And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. . 

Do what in remembrance of me???

You and your Church claim that in that little sentence (this do in remembrance of me) that Jesus conveyed to his apostles that they themselves from then on would call Jesus down from heaven (which would be impossible for Him to resist) and would become Jesus himself while at the same time they would turn the bread and wine into the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus...So now you have Jesus holding Jesus...

But not just Jesus holding Jesus but that Jesus (priest) is participating in the sacrifice of the Jesus that is being made present...

Now we all know that the sacrifice is the death (killing) of what is being sacrificed and the draining of its blood... But nope, not for the Catholics...Your Eucharist is the flesh and blood AFTER the sacrifice, somehow...

All this from 'DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME...

But interestingly again is the fact that Catholics no longer drink the blood, nor do they break the bread...They just hand out a little wafer...And why is that breaking of the bread significant???

1Co 11:24  And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 

You break the bread to show the Lord's broken body...Or in the case of the Catholic religion where Jesus is present, you are to BREAK the body...

1Co 11:26  For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. 

The is the tough one for you guys...It is not the aftermath of the Crucifixion you are participating in...You are participating in the Lord's death...

And all that from 'do this in remembrance of me'...Any wonder why people don't believe it???

922 posted on 06/08/2019 1:05:14 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don't condemn you; it is not my vocation to be your judge.

You merely choose to be a member of a religious organization that does:

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

 

 "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her' (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism' (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noah, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

--Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (A.D. 1302)


925 posted on 06/08/2019 4:59:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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