Posted on 05/29/2019 12:37:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
May 27, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Speaking with one of the best-known conservative Jews, Dennis Prager, at the PragerU summit last week, world-famous psychologist Jordan Peterson spoke of God and his views of faith. After speaking about his dislike for the question ‘Do you believe in God?’ Peterson said, “I think that Catholicism — that's as sane as people can get.”
Peterson has often been asked about his faith, if he believes in God, and he said the question has always troubled him. He promised a podcast on the matter since he has given his dislike for the question much thought.
He explained, “Who would have the audacity to claim that they believed in God if they examined the way they lived? Who would dare say that?”
“To believe, in a Christian sense,” he added, “means that you live it out fully and that's an that's an unbearable task in some sense.”
Then in one long drawn-out, rapid-fire thought, the type that has enthralled his millions of fans, he laid out extemporaneously the vision of a believer in God:
“To be able to accept the structure of existence, the suffering that goes along with it and the disappointment and the betrayal, and to nonetheless act properly; to aim at the good with all your heart; to dispense with the malevolence and your desire for destruction and revenge and all of that; and to face things courageously and to tell the truth to speak the truth and to act it out, that's what it means to believe -- that's what it means -- it doesn't mean to state it, it means to act it out. And, unless you act it out you should be very careful about claiming it. And so, I've never been comfortable saying anything other than I try to act as if God exists because God only knows what you'd be if you truly believed.”
See the full exchange of Peterson and Prager here.
Amen; Brother!!
A crafty ol’ canine; the Poodle.
Who uses the wits in his noodle.
What dog could compare,
With his curly hair?
A cocker that’s munching a strudel??
"Not supported by the Word of God"???
I said nothing of the kind, dear neighbor.
Good night and God bless.
Just like all the other words you and your pals try to put in my mouth.
Hail Mary; Mother of GOD...
YOU were the one who said Paul "repeatedly" talked about "tradition". All I did was use Scripture to show you were incorrect in your assertion.
Perhaps you need to be more specific in your posts. This would help avoid these misunderstandings. I can only reply to what you post.
Would you like a few recommendations for reading? I could try to find the best readings on, for instance, the Ante-Nicene Fathers.
Yes, I have read a great number of them believe it or not.
And what I don't find is a great deal of Roman Catholicism. I do find a great deal of appeal to Scripture though.
However, back to your original claim, Tradition ("big T Tradition," from the Apostles, which Paul insists on repeatedly), Paul, nor any other NT writer, did not address any of the topics you present in your post save for maybe parts of two.
Of first and foundational importance: the writing, transmission, and Canon of the Scriptures themselves. This is the earliest and (I would say) most important element of Tradition handed down to us from the Apostolic era.
Except Roman Catholicism did not formally approve its canon until the Council of Trent in the 1500s. This has been shown repeatedly on these threads in excellent work by daniel1212.
But again, the issue of the canon was determined by the ekklesia...not a committee.
For an excellent resource on this, I recommend F.F. Bruce, The Canon of Scripture.
The earliest creeds (e.g. Apostles' Creed) and catechisms (e.g. the Didache): while not texts of the NT, they were contemporaneous with the writing of the NT (first century).
The Didache contradicts the Roman Catholic position on Transubstantiation.
Chapter 10. Prayer after Communion. But after you are filled, give thanks this way:
We thank Thee, holy Father, for Thy holy name which You didst cause to tabernacle in our hearts, and for the knowledge and faith and immortality, which You modest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Thou, Master almighty, didst create all things for Thy name's sake; You gavest food and drink to men for enjoyment, that they might give thanks to Thee;
but to us You didst freely give spiritual food and drink and life eternal through Thy Servant.
(EMPHASIS and Breaks MINE)
Before all things we thank Thee that You are mighty; to Thee be the glory for ever. Remember, Lord, Thy Church, to deliver it from all evil and to make it perfect in Thy love, and gather it from the four winds, sanctified for Thy kingdom which Thou have prepared for it; for Thine is the power and the glory for ever. Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the God (Son) of David! If any one is holy, let him come; if any one is not so, let him repent. Maranatha. Amen. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html
Apostolic Succession and hierarchical structure (Bishops, Priests, Deacons)
Again, hat tip to daniel1212 who has posted on this extensively.
What is not found is the papacy. In fact in numerous writings the primacy of Rome is rejected. In Acts alone Jerusalem is the center of Christianity and James appears to be the head of the Council.
Continuous chain of preservation/custody of the Scriptures over millennia
Again, reference is made to F.F.Bruce on this issue.
Christology, the sources and theological understandings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers which culminated in the later conciliar creeds (e.g. Nicene Creed).
Which one? The one in 325 or 381? Or the one in use from 1973 to 2011 among Roman catholic churches?
Liturgical prayer, esp. the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Eucharistic realism (e.g. the Liturgy of St. James)
You're attempting to claim that how Roman Catholicism conducts the Mass today is exactly how it was done in the early church?
I think we both know that claim is not valid.
I will note, if you appeal to Justin, be sure to note the part which reads as "On the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read..."
sola scriptura right there!
Now, if you're going to appeal to chapter 66, you're reading into the text what you want it to be.
Additionally, we have from Scripture that believers are to participate in both the bread and the cup. It's pretty clear.
23For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 NASB
It is my understanding Roman Catholics have combined the two into one.
If you're not going to follow the basics...why do it all?
Spiritual life nourished by the Sacraments
The Lord left us with two...baptism and the Lord's Supper.
Constant sharing of spiritual goods in the Communion of Saints/Mystical Body of Christ
Spiritual goods????
If you mean we pray for each other, ok. Or if we share material blessings with each other ok.
The earliest known use of the term "communion of saints" is around 335 from Nietas of Remesiana.
You would be better served if you had appealed to Romans 12:1-7.
Honoring of the Blessed Saints in Heaven and of Mary, benefiting from their intercession
Not a concept found in the New Testament.
Not once did Paul, or any other NT writer, ever pray to a deceased believer.
The earliest ECF to write about prayers to the deceased saints was Tertullian around 230 AD.
Nor was Mary ever shown to be able to intercede for believers on earth as that role was for the Spirit and Christ. And please, don't appeal to the wedding at Cana for this.
Our own constant intercession in living contact with the Body of Christ, whose Members are both in this world and in the next
Part of this you have correct...the ability for us to pray for and fellowship with fellow believers on earth. But again, all of that is found in Scripture.
The part about being in contact with believers in Heaven is not found in Scripture.
Incarnational/Sacramental view of reality
Again, this can be found in Scripture.
Confidence in the promises of Christ and Holy Spirit's guidance of the Church and thus the authority and holiness of her official doctrines (Magisterium)
I agree with the confidence of the promises of Christ and the Holy Spirit's guidance of the church....I just wish Roman Catholicism would!
When Jesus says I will not cast them out...He will not cast them out. Roman catholicism claims otherwise.
When Jesus says I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through Me....Rome says one must go through Mary first.
The latter is never articulated in Scripture.
As demonstrated, the vast majority of what you claim was handed down from Paul, and I'll be generous here, the other writers of the NT....just isn't so when compared to what they actually handed down.
The bulk of it developed later.
Are there some good things found in the history of the church? Yes. We can verify those things with scripture. But that's going to be a narrow set.
Much of Roman Catholicism as seen today is not found in that set.
I’ll give you this one.
Got one for: How Christian am I?
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
How Pharisitical are you?
I imagine the tax collector feared an audit; too.
We've noted; but you've never felt free to post the things that the Bible (that Rome gave to the world) left out that is necessary to get a person to heaven.
The verses that Roman Catholicism has dogmatically defined.
The verses in this book in this verse mean this.
You; of the extra long 'explanations' of things Catholic; cannot figure who Tim is?
How strange.
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You're doing a Cathy Newman parody, surely?
My eyes rolled back so far, I can see the back of my brain.
EEEk, it's now almost 11:15! Good night fersure, and God bless.
Yes; this is in the book that Rome has assembled.
This is the part; in practice; that Rome tacks on AFTER that verse: ...as long those come to the 'knowledge' thru Roman teachings so they will not be led astray by trying to figure out these other verses by themselves.
Golly!
WE PROTS have searched diligently for the phrase "Mother of GOD" as well.
Guess what; it ain't in the bible either.
Your serve.
Is St. Paul considered to be a "Church Father"?
You read it every time?
I've not seen any Catholic admit to reading it ONCE!
Mrs. D said; however; at #499...
Those are excellent Scriptures, and it's good to have the collecition. Mot one f them says "Scripture alone."
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