Q Anon: 02/02/19 Trust Trump's Plan

To block a constitutional amendment from ratification and enactment requires 13 out of 50 states.
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True, but if the problem had been addressed immediately after Roe v Wade, the country was more conservative, and the amendment might have passed.

I don’t support the convention of states. The constitution is mostly fine, if Judges would just adhere to the original intent. I’d like a reversal of the income tax, and the 17th, and end the citizenship by birth of noncitizens such as the tourism and illegals.

401 posted on 02/04/2019 12:00:06 AM PST by greeneyes

Sorry, SB. Praying that you will find a peaceable solution.

402 posted on 02/04/2019 12:34:05 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (Abortion - human sacrifice to the god of self)

Always good to remember what Christ put up with.
Everything then tends to pale in comparison.

403 posted on 02/04/2019 12:59:18 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (The love of many has grown cold. Come, Lord Jesus.)

> “I don’t support the convention of states. The constitution is mostly fine, if Judges would just adhere to the original intent.”

greeneyes, you should work on developing your background knowledge and understanding of history. It is evident you’ve picked up incomplete and deficient views of others on the subject of organizations working to amend the Constitution. The Convention of States is a very reputable and capable group of Americans comprising former US Senators, judges, executive branch appointees, respected constitutional scholars. There are other organizations such as the Assembly of States that are comprised of well-informed patriots who are state legislators having detailed knowledge of American history and principles. These groups have worked steadily to advance proposals for states to organize to pass amendments according to Article V. The number of states is nearing a critical mass. The process of Article V is advancing and will happen.

On the one hand you are following some sort of group or your own emotions or both that advocate for amending the Constitution to address the travesty of abortion, but on the other hand, you are subscribing to groups with deficient views of efforts by organizations to amend the Constitution. Whoever you are following, they are trying to have it both ways. “The Constitution is fine if only judges etc. etc. etc.” while “the Constitution needs to be amended and should have been amended way back when etc. etc. etc.”

I am sorry but that is such a lame array of principles. It falls into a bin of echoing that the framers were ignorant when they provided two ways to amend the Consitution. They themselves used the amendment process to form the Bill of Rights. The view of the crowd you are subscribing reduce the process of sustaining the American way of life to “I don’t believe more amendments will help because judges suck, people suck”. Clearly, whoever you are reading and following do not under the history of Article V.

Amendments can be written so that no court can misinterpret the meaning and intent. You have adopted a view of others on the internet who are defeatists. That is not American, America is not a defeatist nation.

For example, how could a court misinterpret the 22nd Amendment any differently from how it is written? This is evidence that amendments can indeed be written in a way that courts cannot twist their meaning. It can be done. Has it always been done in the past is a lesson that instructs how amendments should be crafted today.

Amendments can be written to avoid judicial abuse. For example, a proposed amendment such as the following is written and crafted in such a way that no court can argue against its effect and application:

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AMENDMENT XXVIII (’Federal-State Rebalancing’)

To restore the foundational structure of State Legislatures to Congress, the following amendment is proposed:

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Section 1. Senators in Congress shall be subject to recall by their respective state legislature or by voter referendum in their respective state.

Section 2. Term limits for Senators in Congress shall be set by a vote in their respective state legislatures but in no case shall be set less than two terms nor more than three terms.

Section 3: The seventeenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

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REGARDLESS of whether you agree with the content of the above or not, try to advance an argument of how it can be defeated by judicial abuse. Try it. In fact, first remove its content to extract its skeletal form:

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AMENDMENT XXVIII (’...’)

To ..., the following amendment is proposed:

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Section 1. ... shall be subject to ... by their respective ... or by ... in their ....

Section 2. ... shall be set by a ... in their respective ... but in no case shall be set ... nor more than ....

Section 3: The ... to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

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Where judges abuse the Constitution is where terms and phrases are not clear or explicitly defined. Words such as “jurisdiction”, “uniform”, “commerce”, “income”, etc. are targets for abuse. In the above example amendment draft, there are no easy targets for abuse.

Groups such as the Convention of States, Assembly of States, are populated by persons who are very aware of history and how to craft reasonable, level-headed proposed amendments that are protected against judicial abuse. Their detractors, their enemies try and brand them as radicals who will overthrow the Constitution, that the Constitution is “just fine as it is”, “leave the Constitution alone”; this emanates from the same corner as fake news. They use scare tactics arguing that attempts by state legislators to amend the US Constitution will result in radicals overturning it. They do not want power shifted out of DC to the states. Conservatives have the upper hand in states. They control many more of them than do the left. They control enough to propose and ratify amendments, the left has no such power today. Conservatives should use the power while they have it.

404 posted on 02/04/2019 4:40:57 AM PST by Hostage (Article V (Proud Member of the Deranged Q Fringe))

We had a similar situation with our dog. Blind, deaf, incontinent, and listless. 17 years of faithfulness. Vet said he wasn’t in pain. Hubby wouldn’t let go, so I made him do all the night duty. Finally, our little furry fellow had a seizure right in front of him. That was it. Our house still feels empty without him.

My heart goes out to you.

405 posted on 02/04/2019 4:42:40 AM PST by Melian (Check yourself before you KeK yourself. ~ Melian)

The media’s Tom Hanks commercial was interesting. They celebrated themselves, of course, but a lot of the text may have backfired. Anyone who’s awake and red-pilled might hear this differently than they intended:

Because knowing empowers us.
Knowing helps us decide.
Knowing keeps us free.
#democracydiesindarkness

Dark to Light! The whole thing was ironic because the media try to keep us FROM knowing!

406 posted on 02/04/2019 4:52:02 AM PST by Melian (Check yourself before you KeK yourself. ~ Melian)

For all the quiet workers:
https://youtu.be/domTkwDYT_E

407 posted on 02/04/2019 4:59:18 AM PST by Melian (Check yourself before you KeK yourself. ~ Melian)

Tony Romo catches a “REAGAN! REAGAN!” audible from Tom Brady.

“Obviously Reagan means ‘run to the right’”

408 posted on 02/04/2019 5:12:45 AM PST by Melian (Check yourself before you KeK yourself. ~ Melian)

Patriots: 6 Super Bowl wins...6 more years for POTUS.

409 posted on 02/04/2019 5:14:51 AM PST by Melian (Check yourself before you KeK yourself. ~ Melian)

For all the quiet workers
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Thank you for posting that! LOVE IT!

410 posted on 02/04/2019 5:16:12 AM PST by StormFlag (May the Light shine and darkness remove, MAGA)

Gladys Knight was under pressure not to perform in support of The Kneeler.

“I am here today and on Sunday, Feb. 3 to give the Anthem back its voice, to stand for that historic choice of words, the way it unites us when we hear it and to free it from the same prejudices and struggles I have fought long and hard for all my life,” Knight said.

“From walking back hallways, from marching with our social leaders, from using my voice for good — I have been in the forefront of this battle longer than most of those voicing their opinions to win the right to sing our country’s Anthem on a stage as large as the Super Bowl LIII,” she added.

Her rendition was fabulous.

411 posted on 02/04/2019 5:24:57 AM PST by Melian (Check yourself before you KeK yourself. ~ Melian)

If enough support for a Convention of States can be mustered, ^who appoints^ those that will be voting on any actions by the formally convened Convention?

412 posted on 02/04/2019 5:49:23 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)

Interesting that there is no language as to who takes over the LTGov spot. Since language in the VA Constitution indicates the existence of “LTGov-elect”, is that position then treated as a vox populi (elected) position?

That would mean that the ASCENDING Gov wold not appoint a LTGov but that a special election must be held.

A very broad interpretation of that clause would say that the AG would move to the LTGov slot.

Looks like time to “judiciouslate”.

413 posted on 02/04/2019 5:56:44 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)

"The reporter who exposed Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam's racist yearbook photo said a "concerned citizen" led him to the story that has prompted widespread outrage and calls for the Democrat's resignation. ... A concerned citizen, not a political opponent, came to us and pointed this out."

Just goes to prove what a loser Ed Gillespie was and still is.

I got a Freepmail from LS this morning. He and an anonymous Freeper sent that pic to Big League Politics who ran with the story.

Don't know details yet but LS heard Northam will resign and I also saw on the news this AM that Lt. Governor Mark Fairfax is being accused of sexual harassment. Now being investigated.

414 posted on 02/04/2019 5:58:20 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP! WWG1WGA)

Dan Bongino said this week that HE was in possession of this photo well in advance of the election; he wondered where the GOP oppo research team had been! One does become suspicious...

Ed Gillespie was the designated loser. Corey Stewart wouldn't have let that slide.

415 posted on 02/04/2019 6:00:03 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP! WWG1WGA)

Great link, Enigo. I will add it to the thread table. ThankQ.

416 posted on 02/04/2019 6:17:46 AM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)

I don’t trust the article 5 CONCon- and that is not the only way to amend the constitution. I PREFER the 2/3 of both houses. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

Your response to me is very condescending and assumes that I have no background knowledge or understanding of history. That’s insulting. I have more than enough knowledge of this gaggle that’s been forming for quite some time. I am sick of reading about it.

As for you, you really ought to work on making a concise presentation of your points rather than denigrate the person you are trying to convince.

I would have supported an amendment to prevent abortions back in the 60s, using the 2/3 of both houses provided for in the constitution. I simply don’t support the ConCon of states that I know people are working toward.

I have studied the constitutional convention that gave us our current constitution. I have read the minutes of that convention. So far, the amendments that were made in the modern era were NOT a plus.

So for now, I support our constitution as is. YMMV

And, I’m not going to read a whole lot more on this topic. For example no more than 3 short paragraphs on this subject. So if you respond further- be concise, or I’ll simply ignore your post.

417 posted on 02/04/2019 6:18:20 AM PST by greeneyes

Shouldn’t that bot say ‘BEEPSKY - BOOPSKY’ then?...............

418 posted on 02/04/2019 6:19:46 AM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)

To: All; Bob Ireland; bagster

Read the headline and thought it was one of those “keep that Q-crap off OUR forum posts...”

Stop the nonsense, Ireland!
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3725212/posts

419 posted on 02/04/2019 6:22:12 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic, Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/03/greatest-of-all-time-tom-bradys-6th-super-bowl-win-infuriates-trump-haters/ I did not watch the game. I knew the Pats would win. We don't have TV, just net. But I refuse to watch the kneelers, whiners and Illuminati half time show. That being said. Good on Brady!

420 posted on 02/04/2019 6:24:17 AM PST by defconw (WWG1WGA! MAGA)

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