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Quora query, Why do you and your religious principles support and defend President Trump?
Free Republic | Sun, 10/14/18 | daniel1212

Posted on 10/14/2018 5:57:16 PM PDT by daniel1212

Been working on a response for a Quora query, You are a devout Bible-fundamental Jesus believer. Or devout Catholic or Mormon. Why do you and your religious principles support and defend President Trump? Otherwise, why wouldn't you?

I only worked on what the alternative to Trump would mean so far. Any suggestions for this?

"Devout Bible-fundamental Jesus believer" best fits evangelicals, and even considering the alternative from that overall perspective should suffice for now, as illustrated by this (imperfect) analogy:

You are at a port along with many other people, trying to continue on a long journey to get to your final preferred destination, and you have a choice between two companies, ships, captains and crews.


The ship on the Left insists on engaging in some non-traditional social engineering, and has a destination quite different than where you want to live. The captain of this ship, owned by Soros and company enterprises, is (in his own words) a peace-loving, fair-minded, Kerry-for-President former pot-smoking hippie (but who did not inhale), who is ever conscious his/her racial color and supports guilt and discrimination based on this.

He (or “she” or “they” as the entity may choose to I.D. as), is as member in good standing of NWIMBY (no windmills in my backyard), and abhors those “deplorables” who “cling to guns and religion“ as anti-life, and supports a women's right to kill the unborn, and for self-identified men to use a bathroom with your wife or daughter, while seeking to control industry and the speech of others more. In short, the captain, reflecting company policy, is ever striving to fundamentally transform the society which produced the U.S. Constitution and reminds him of Biblical values.

In that interest, the captain informs you that on this ship there are many polices to be followed, which have been adopted from practices, principals or proposals of many elite liberal institutions of higher education. Which means:

• This ship flies the flag of Sodom, and anything but support for the nation for which it stands (such as kneeling when its anthem is played) will be considered evidence of homophobia, which is profoundly intolerable. Those found guilty of such may face severe economic sanctions.

• The choice of which bathrooms one uses is to be determined by whatever gender one feels comfortable with (at least at the moment). Objections to this will be penalized in accordance with the scale explained below.

• Any babies that may happen to be born during this journey can be disposed off if unwanted by the mother, rather than her having to share her accommodations with this unwanted tissue.

• This ship will be escorted by Greenpeace activists to warn whales of our approach, while representatives of PETA will be onboard to ensure a vegetarian diet is followed (no eggs!). However, feeding sharks with any manner of flesh will be sanctioned.

• This ship is a gun free zone, including toys and mere replicas, and our policy in case of encounters with those whom conservatives sees as enemies, such as pirates or communist “guerrillas” will be to assure them we have no intent or means to harm them, and thus we expect they will reciprocate in kind. We can then smoke organic weed together, educate them on how to receive government benefits in California, and explain to them how they became “radicalized” because of George Bush.

• Consistent with this, corporal discipline of children (and only an average of 1.5 are allowed) is forbidden, as are all contact sports, but indoctrination by watching MSNBC or listening to NPR 5 hours a day will be required, after first reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to the (future) United States of Sodom. Students will be tested on such issues as how many problems can be blamed on Climate Change, and why conserves are dangerous racist homophones, and how liberals are objective/fair-minded and should be in control as being the elite minds. And how to engage in intimidation against those who disagree.

Among the types of speech that are to be progressively censored is that which expresses any doubt of past or present warnings regarding Climate Change, any conclusions of evolutionary science, or liberal polices in general. And of course (as if we have to say it), any speech, oral or written, or songs, celebrating Christian beliefs, especially if conveying any official sanction. This is critical in order to foster our desired diversity.

• The crew has been hired based upon racial quotas (with sexual orientation qualifying as race). Although this means that the best qualified person may not be hired if he or she is of the wrong race or self-identified gender, this is necessary in order to avoid discrimination.

• Likewise, penalties for infractions by crew or passenger will be determined by a scale based on racial status, with those of a majority race being penalized the most, at least by writing an essay confessing to their guilt as the favored historical race, and their need to atone for it. This is only proper, for those of minority race are not to suffer due to what they had no control over.

• Consistent with this, those who purchased first-class accommodations and benefits, regardless of how many years they labored to attain them, are to be compelled to share what they acquired with all others, regardless of whether they be stowaways, those engaged in the street-level pharmaceutical trade, or students in the elite art of protesting.

• Sharing wealth as being an expression of mercy and grace is not condoned: instead, obtaining what others earned is to be considered a Right as Victims of those who labored for greater benefits, and the latter are to be increasingly penalized for gaining wealth, and for presuming to share such as acts of mercy and grace.

• This divestiture will first be for and through the captain and administration, who uniquely may enjoy without guilt greater benefits they attained as elite saviors of the perpetually oppressed. This is necessary in order to maintain a class-less society in which the goal is for all to share an equal level of poverty prosperity (except for their elite comrades). At the ships final destination of Venezuela this goal will hopefully be realized.

• Cultural appropriations by certain races are prohibited, such as Europeans wearing Hawaiian shirts or cooking General Tso’s chicken (even if virtually unheard of in China). However, everything from wearing Western clothing to eating pizza or a sandwich (at least calling it that) is permitted regardless of where one is from.

• No one is to be allowed onboard who has ever been banned by Facebook, or supports any organization promoting traditional moral values, and or has been censored by the $outhern Poverty Law Center, or who has been the subject of any allegations (proven or not) of ancient impropriety by liberal women (unless the accused is an verifiable liberal), or who has not apologized for having ancestors who owned slaves. And for driving an SUV or other truck vehicles. The Terms of Service on your boarding pass provides more specific details of what may be judged offensive (note “otherwise objectionable” and “violative of any law”) by politically correct police at their discretion.

• If you have any doubt as to what may be considered offensive behavior, the general rule is that the alternative to traditional Judaeo-Christian morals and principals are to be followed. For instance, expressing that unmarried consensual (though a formal consent form my be required) sexual relationships are sin will not be tolerated. However, failing to recycle is considered to be the equivalent of a mortal sin.

• Although extensive efforts have been made to prohibit intolerance, in case of violations, real or perceived, there are assigned Safe Places on every deck for those who feel offended by politically incorrect speech, or suspected microaggressions. Bring you own Play-Do if you prefer.


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To: Vigilanteman
So I would vote for Trump even if I were a Jew, Muslim, Ba'hai or any other brand of religion who opposed a de facto state church. Or, for that matter, even a liberal who valued the First Amendment.

But not the First Amendment as interpreted by the likes of the ACLU.

21 posted on 10/14/2018 6:43:11 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: tiki
Have they ever read The Lord’s Prayer? Have they noticed that line in which we ask God for forgiveness of our sins and what immediately follows? And as a kicker, are they freely able to throw the first stone? I know I’m not.

It seems about the only verse many liberal know is "Judge not," which is misinterpreted apart from its context to mean not condemning sin (versus hypocritical judging), but which is the very thing they engage in by condemning judging as sin!

22 posted on 10/14/2018 6:48:09 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

A Christian mocks the Ten Commandments by voting for an anti-Christian, lying, murdering, traitorous Demonicrat.


23 posted on 10/14/2018 7:02:20 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: tiki

they don’t understand the difference between confession of transgressions with repentance...

versus their own unrepentant ongoing murder, lying, adultery, god hating and rebellion... which is what they ALL ARE... up to and until they repent.

I John 1:9 says “if we confess... he will forgive all”
it does not say, “if we refuse to admit our sins, and persist in them with hatred and rebellion... that’s okay too...”

Various Christian groups, even cultic leaning ones... all admit they are sinners in need of forgiveness, grace and redemption.
These folks trying to hold DJT to what they perceive as our “standards” REFUSE to get it. He admits he was a moral screw up and has made efforts to repent and confess.

Whereas, they ARE practicing, ongoing and unrepentant sinners in rebellion against Holy God. There IS no forgiveness without some form of accounting through, confession, repentance, turning around and keeping after that as a pattern for the rest of ones life... Whether in a confessional chamber or in the prayer closet... ALL who know Christ are driven to our knees over such things. All who don’t get that... do NOT know Christ. at all.

Those who do not repent. ARE NOT christian OR saved. All Christians repent at some level, because they are compelled to do so by the Holy Spirit... if they have no conviction by the Holy Spirit then they are by definition, NONE of his... and in a state of rebellion against the GRACE which leads to repentance.

Self damning and demonically deluded. ONLY God can turn them around. Or a war that wipes them out.


24 posted on 10/14/2018 7:04:16 PM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (Imho)
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To: daniel1212

Because God put him in the White House.


25 posted on 10/14/2018 7:06:47 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: daniel1212

If I was from your great country I would be saying “Because I am voting for someone who wants to be President, not someone who wants to be God”


26 posted on 10/14/2018 7:09:14 PM PDT by melsec (There's a track, winding back, to an old forgotten shack along the road to Gundagai..)
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To: daniel1212

The very first commandment is to love God above anything, and to do so we need freedom of religion, which this President supports. Once we are free to openly follow this commandment, our whole society becomes healthier. The opposite is true, too.

God’s plan for marriage and family is the building block of any successful civilization- and it begins when a man and a woman commit to a lifelong marriage. Trump is against governmental policies that encourage single parent families or deny biological truths that will eventually destroy families and weakens our society as a whole.

Likewise, Trump is pro-life. Our country cannot thrive without a positive population growth.

Our God is also a God of justice and order. He expects us to obey reasonable governmental authority per Romans 13. We are not being kind to illegal immigrants when we ignore their illegal status. In fact, we are encouraging them to break the law and to live in fear. We support forcing Congress to create laws that represent the wishes of the people, keep our country safe, and support our executive branch when they enforce those laws. If the people really do want increased immigration, that should be taken up in Congress so that we can have more legal immigrants come into our country without fear for their futures or their children.

We are to care for the poor and oppressed, and that means to love them in a way that is the very best for them, not to manipulate them and oppress them for political purposes. To this end, we are against the welfare state and support Trump’s policies that favor job growth, training, opportunities for ex-convicts, education, and family cohesion.


27 posted on 10/14/2018 7:09:17 PM PDT by keats5
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To: daniel1212

When Progressives show interest in any issue, or advocates for any solutions they do so far more to advance their agenda than to address the immediate issue. If they show concern, it always has a strong possibility that any answer that is given will be turned into an advantage for their agenda.

The issue remains: Progressives gave us the (D) side of the 2016 campaign for President. Hillary was running the largest scheme of graft and influence peddling in all of human history, at least as measured by how much money was involved. For this reason alone, she was the most corrupt candidate for President in the history of the country.

How could I have possibly voted for her? What does this say for the people who were willing to overlook this ongoing crime and vote for her anyway?

Trump has many failings, but nothing he has done comes anywhere near this single crime. Then there is the Uranium One deal, and the Benghazi debacle. And the private email server.


28 posted on 10/14/2018 7:14:38 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: daniel1212
The question is dishonest to begin with because it is based on a false premise. The question as phrased implies that religious faith requires evaluation of personal character as a primary attribute in picking a leader. Nothing could be more misdirected. A Christian knows that all persons are sinners and without merit in God’s eyes. Trump, Clinton, Sanders, Howdy-Doody— all equally fallen in the eyes of God. So following St Paul’s doctrine of the two kingdoms, Christians are required only to choose the leader they believe will do the best job of leading them. And that’s why we chose Trump. Best candidate available.
29 posted on 10/14/2018 7:17:59 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: daniel1212

meh

Look at the results


30 posted on 10/14/2018 7:20:35 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: daniel1212

He’s the only available alternative to the openly Satanic two-party system.


31 posted on 10/14/2018 7:35:34 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 1)
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To: daniel1212

“All authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God”
Romans 13:1

God seen that we needed a street fight; someone who was tough skinned and doesn’t give in or up. The left is shocked and angry that we elected someone who doesn’t care what anyone thinks, but only cares about doing what he promised.


32 posted on 10/14/2018 7:38:34 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Romans 13.


33 posted on 10/14/2018 7:49:49 PM PDT by KDF48 (Redeemed by Christ.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The question is dishonest to begin with because it is based on a false premise. The question as phrased implies that religious faith requires evaluation of personal character as a primary attribute in picking a leader. Nothing could be more misdirected. A Christian knows that all persons are sinners and without merit in God’s eyes. Trump, Clinton, Sanders, Howdy-Doody— all equally fallen in the eyes of God. So following St Paul’s doctrine of the two kingdoms, Christians are required only to choose the leader they believe will do the best job of leading them. And that’s why we chose Trump. Best candidate available.

And thus what i mainly described was the manner of policies on the socialist "ship," versus the overall moral character of the "captain."

34 posted on 10/14/2018 8:15:58 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
According to the Bible, God sometimes reveals His Will to people through His use of Prophets. A 2011 Trump Prophecy reveals that Trump was lifted up to "...prepare The Flock for the coming Harvest...", to be God's Hand on Earth. The 2011 Prophecy also states that ..."all who rise up against him, God will personally remove as a threat."

So far, The Prophecy has been right 100% of the time. That is why I support Trump as a fundamentalist Christian. That, and the laying on of hands in the oval office with a few dozen pastors, and I was all in.

35 posted on 10/14/2018 10:17:47 PM PDT by Gargantua (The wheel is spinnin' and it can't slow down... ;^)
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To: DesertRhino

We either accept weaknesses in good people or we have to tear pages out of the Bible.

Robert Duvall


36 posted on 10/15/2018 3:44:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gargantua
According to the Bible, God sometimes reveals His Will to people through His use of Prophets. A 2011 Trump Prophecy reveals that Trump was lifted up to "...prepare The Flock for the coming Harvest...", to be God's Hand on Earth. The 2011 Prophecy also states that ..."all who rise up against him, God will personally remove as a threat." So far, The Prophecy has been right 100% of the time. That is why I support Trump as a fundamentalist Christian. That, and the laying on of hands in the oval office with a few dozen pastors, and I was all in.

So-called Prophecies of revival are a dime a dozen, but we are far from paying the cost, or wanting to, while rather than all who rise up against Trump being removed as a threat, their number has only increased as he acts as the most conservative president since Reagan, while also giving enemies too much ammunition by some of what he says.

37 posted on 10/15/2018 3:47:35 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
Yanick Rochon
Yanick Rochon, born Latter-day Saint, converted a few years ago

Religion has nothing to do with politics, and Latter-day Saints are a prime example of it; unless otherwise, there are just as many democrats as there are republicans[1][2].


38 posted on 10/15/2018 3:48:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
... Latter-day Saints are a prime example of it...


39 posted on 10/15/2018 3:50:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Those who do not learn from history...



 

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

November 8, 2012

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!
 
I must apologize and ask for forgiveness from you all.
 
As you know, we at Headquarters NEVER tell you pew warmers how to vote. It says so right in our press releases. Anyway, we were ALL thrilled to the max when there were two – TWO! – MORMONs being touted in the primaries: Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman.
 
Talk in our upper chambers high above SLC was how our gods were favoring us with these men; who had prepared their entire lives for an opportunity to save this Nation; which so badly needs guidance: OUR guidance even! So naturally, I and the other twelve analyzed and discussed the situation.
 
Consensus was that the voters should listen to the inner urging and vote for the one they wanted; but that seemed to be leaving WAY too much to chance.
 
I decided, that since I am the ONLY man on earth that can hear GOD’s voice, that I would pray for wisdom and clarity in the matter.
 
I hadn’t used the fleece in a while, so I questioned GOD with a test. A paper, with Romney on one side and Huntsman on the other was to be placed by the air conditioning vent high above my desk in the sumptuous office the Full Tithers have provided.
When the air would kick in later in the evening, while I was home, the paper would be blown down and whomever GOD wanted would then be visible on the upper surface.
 
As you can probably guess, when I came in the next day, the paper had landed on my desk, with Mitt’s name on top.
Last night, I was staying late, praying to GOD about how it was even possible that Mitt lost, when the janitorial cleaning crew came in. Being surprised to find me here, they apologized for interrupting me. I said to them, “It mattereth not, as I was about to leave anyway.”
 
As I was going out the door, the foreman of the crew just happened to mention that my office is ALWAYS so neat and tidy, never anything out of place, that they barely have to do anything to clean up. Then one of the sweepers said, “Except that time in the spring when we came in to clean and found a paper with Huntman’s name on the floor by your desk. We put it back on your desk and left.
 
 
Tommy M.
 
Onward to 2016!!!
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40 posted on 10/15/2018 3:52:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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