Tree rings tell tale of drought in Mongolia over the last 2,000 years

Science News ^ | March 19, 2018 | DAN GARISTO

[George - the Other]

"It was suspected that a harsh drought from about 2000 to 2010 that killed tens of thousands of livestock was unprecedented in the region’s history and primarily the result of human-caused climate change. But the tree ring data show that the dry spell, while rare in its severity, was not outside the realm of natural climate variability, researchers report online March 14 in Science Advances."

[George - the Other]

Not that we shouldn't be concerned about the environment, but as illustrated in this article, all the hysteria is caused because there's too much assumption, and not enough investigating the facts.

[Freedom56v2]

With all due respect, why is this in the right hand Breaking News Sidebar?

[BykrBayb]

How is this Breaking News? It’s a desert. It’s always been a desert. It’s always going to be a desert.

[Nailbiter]

why is everything unprecented with these scientists.

Me thinks they should look to the dictionary

[cpdiii]

It would appear that we had normal weather patterns before “so called man made global warming” that are exactly the same as today.

Nothing has changed and it is very normal. Our planet is not a stable state system. It gets hot, it gets cold and when it is hot life flourishes on earth. Pray for global warming. When the ice caps melt the oceans rise and humanity retreats from the sea over thousands of years just as we are today and due to warmth and increasing CO2 levels that have little to do with man, life flourishes. CO2 is plant food.

This is nothing new. It has happened many times in earths recent history. The normal state of Earth is Ice Age. What we now enjoy is geologically abnormal. Enjoy the warmth as it is short lived. The seas will probably continue to rise over the next few thousand years. London and New York will be gone. In 30 thousand years the will probably be under a mile of ice.

One must not listen to charlatans such as Al Gore. One must listen to proven history of the Ice Ages and they are very bad for life.

Pray for global warming, it is good for life. Ice Ages kill.

If the oceans cover London and New York it is of little importance. It is so slow that we will retreat from the sea and what we built on the lowlands will have already crumbled from age. This is nothing new. In the middle of the North Sea we find remains of villages under a couple of hundred feet of water. These villages were not drowned in a flood of rising seawater. They were drowned over many hundreds of years as the people slowly retreated from the edge of the rising sea. Today we call them the Brits, the Norwegians, the French etc.

If we are truly at the end of the ice age the polar caps will melt and those coastal cities will be gone. They will be gone in a few thousand years. It is of no importance.

Ice Ages are hell on terrestrial life. It is a time of great death. Pray for Global warming but the sun does not listen to prayers nor Al Gore.

Why did Al Gore buy a Mansion on the California Coast? Does he not know about rising sea levels?

[marktwain]

“Those climate patterns will likely guide how Mongolia develops, Hessl says, because they have in the past. In 2014, she and colleagues published a paper detailing how a 15-year period of unprecedented temperate and rainy conditions in 13th century Mongolia may have led to the rise of Genghis Khan (SN Online: 3/10/14).”

That just happens to be during the Medieval Warm Period, which the climate alarmists claim was limited to the Atlantic, no matter how much data shows they are wrong.

http://irows.ucr.edu/papers/irows92/irows92.htm

[GnuThere]

Looks like somebody got a grant for a trip to Mongolia to go study tree rings and goof off.
Because the taxpayers were really wondering about this.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Just say: Outer Mongolia; Inner Mongolia; Dinosaurs tens of millions and possibly over 100 Million years ago; Dinosaurs eat green leafy stuff and each other; No greens, no water, no dinosaurs. Roy Chapman Andrews - expeditions, early 1900’s.

No oceans in Mongolia for many millions of years. Sorry. Man didn’t cause it.

Singing “Blame It On The Moon”.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks George - the Other.

from deep in the archives:

Caves reveal clues to UK weather
by Tom Heap

At Pooles Cavern in Derbyshire, it was discovered that the stalagmites grow faster in the winter months when it rains more. Alan Walker, who guides visitors through the caves, says the changes in rainfall are recorded in the stalactites and stalagmites like the growth rings in trees. Stalagmites from a number of caves have now been analysed by Dr Andy Baker at Newcastle University. After splitting and polishing the rock, he can measure its growth precisely and has built up a precipitation history going back thousands of years. His study suggests this autumn's rainfall is not at all unusual when looked at over such a timescale but is well within historic variations. He believes politicians find it expedient to blame a man-made change in our weather rather than addressing the complex scientific picture.

I like that closing sentence -- "future decision-making could be made based on scientific data and not on political expediency". I wouldn't count on it, but that would be great.

[Does so]

Central Florida is built on beachfront property.

(Former beachfront property).

[Nailbiter]

As I tell a tree hugger friend (mostly to irritate him) we are but a pimple on the earths back side, waiting to be popped at a moments notice.

never fails :)

[COBOL2Java]

In recent years, many studies have sought to unsnarl the role of anthropogenic climate change from natural variability on extreme weather events (SN: 1/20/18, p. 6). Such work is necessary for more accurately predicting future climate trends and helping governments prepare for the most severe scenarios, says study coauthor Amy Hessl, a physical geographer at West Virginia University in Morgantown. This is especially true in countries like Mongolia that lack certain infrastructure, such as enough water reservoirs, to ease the impact of events like prolonged drought.

So...if I understand the logic in this paragraph: anthropogenic-leaning climate scientists are hoping to find "proof" that man is causing climate change, so they can stop the Mongolians from building their water reservoirs. Because man-made structures have the potential to do "bad" things to the climate.

Do I have that right?

[COBOL2Java]

The recent dry spell was the severest in recorded history. But the rings showed that an even more severe drought took place around the year 800, long before anthropogenic climate change began.

"Say what????"

Still, computer simulations suggest that about a third of the recent drought’s severity could have been caused by elevated temperatures linked to climate change, the researchers found. The finding is consistent with studies on how climate change has affected other recent droughts in South Africa and California.

"Oh! Whew!"

[Alas Babylon!]

[buffaloguy]

We are in the front portion of the Pliocene-Quarternary Ice Age. It started about 2.8 million years ago. We are simply in a non-glacial period but we will revert to a normal ice age in about 10,000 to 20,000 years and although the ice age will last from 30 million to 300 million years.

[Nailbiter]

One must not listen to charlatans such as Al Gore.
I rarely listen to politicians, if I can find speech as text I might read - but listen to- no. 0 was the worst- used a psychological trick that I cannot remember the name of, his speeches were awful, listening him was like nails on chalk board.

President Trump I will listen, first time in probably 20 yrs that I have listened to a politician, although hard to class PDJT as politician.

“Why did Al Gore buy a Mansion on the California Coast? Does he not know about rising sea levels?” insurance scam would be my guess