"So I deleted tens of thousands of e-mails after they
were subpoenaed. At this point what difference does
it make?"
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They are yanking your chain.
They are sure who they will vote for.
Remember the trillion dollar stimulus money for shovel ready jobs? That money disappeared without a trace.
Stevens asked for help 600 times. They wanted him dead for reasons no one knows yet.
Tell them thats nonsense as there were MANY MANY assets that could have been there in time an REGARDLESS of funding, assets would have been sent if needed.
Everyone was told to stand down.
Tell them the reason Stephens was left to die, i.e., the illegal arms supplying route through libya.
Then slap them like Moe.
Blame it on a video that no one ever saw.
Secondly, having been a former Embassy Guard, I can assure you the Department of Defense NEVER turns down requests by Department of State
Lastly, that was one of my former roommates HRC left behind, so fck them if they are too lazy to research the facts. It sounds like they already made up their minds.
"So I deleted tens of thousands of e-mails after they
were subpoenaed. At this point what difference does
it make?"
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They are Right. Clinton is never at fault for anything.
The Clintons are good for Hollywood. In Mogadishu the soldiers fought all night against impossible odds because Bill Clinton denied them armor despite numerous requests. That was Black Hawk Down, a great movie. In Benghazi the guys fought all night long against impossible odds because Mrs Clinton ordered every rescue mission to stand down; that was 13 Hours, another great movie. You have to wonder, if she returns to the White House, what the next blockbuster movie will be, and which our our kids will star in it.
Explain that when the 3 Am phone call came into the Oval Office, the National Security team including Hillary were there. Øbama ordered his team to “handle it” and went to bed. Hillary’s State Department dicked with the go team’s uniforms THREE TIMES. That was as good as a stand down order, which no one seems to acknowledge happened. Yet there WERE assets available and not deployed. They were HER people. Her responsibility.
The funding issue is a red herring. Ask them why, even with limited funds, Hillary chose to skimp on the hottest hotbed in the Middle East. And while you are at it, ask if any of that missing %6B could have been used.
However the situation came to be, she was at the helm and steered the Ship of State onto the rocks.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2014/may/19/ron-johnson/hillary-clintons-state-department-reduced-security/
Johnson said that before the terrorist attacks in Benghazi, "the State Department not only failed to honor repeated requests for additional security, but instead actually reduced security in Libya."
State Department headquarters in Washington did refuse repeated requests from its ambassador in Libya for more security personnel. And it decided not to accept an offer from the Defense Department to extend the stay of one of its security units in Libya, reducing the level of security that was available.
We rate Johnson’s statement True.
Their point is a straw man, however, since additional funding from Congress was not necessary to provide additional security. Additional security could have been supplied through shuffling existing funds.
It was not an embassy, but a CIA gun-running operation which ended up arming ISIS.
Even the traitor did not claim that it was lack of funding but just a demonstration provoked by an internet video.
However, even if there were a lack of funding the US could easily have done what the Brits did - Remove our assets - theirs were no longer in Benghazi it had become so dangerous.
We called off the forces ready to respond to this. It should also be obvious to even the dumbassed Democrat apologists that security forces could have been moved from less dangerous missions to this one.
Saw a good Trump commercial on Benghazi yesterday aired nationwide.
Stevens BEGGED Hillary for more security AND SHE REFUSED TO GIVE IT TO HIM. BTW, WHY HAVEN'T WE SEEN ANY OF THOSE EMAILS OR CABLES FROM STEVENS? HILLARY DELETED THEM BECAUSE THEY SHOW HER COMPLICITY IN HIS DEATH! As a matter of fact, SHE REDUCED his security just prior to 9/11.
BIG PICTURE: 0dunga/Hillary LET OUR PEOPLE DIE. Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty FOUGHT FOR OVER EIGHT HOURS AFTER SMITH AND STEVENS WERE KILLED. THEY WAITED FOR U.S. MILITARY RESPONSE WHICH NEVER CAME.
The resources were available. They were just not deployed.
No funding issues.
You have to make things short and succinct for these people.
CIRCA 2015 NYP-— The job of Clinton damage control through a parade of scandals has fallen to her top aide (and perennial govt parasite) Cheryl Mills. Mills’ lack of cooperation is legendary. In fact, she’s been officially accused of both perjury and obstruction of justice.
Sworn affidavits, depositions and court rulings, as well as congressional reports and testimony, paint a picture of, to put it charitably, a brazenly dishonest cover-up specialist.
Among Mills shenanigans:
<><> •As White House deputy counsel, Mills ordered Commerce Department officials to “withhold” from investigators emails and other documents detailing then-President Clinton’s and First Lady Hillary Clinton’s allegedly illegal selling of seats on foreign trade junkets for campaign cash, according to sworn statements by Commerce’s former FOIA chief. “Ms. Mills, in her position as deputy counsel to the president, advised Commerce officials to withhold certain documents,” testified Sonya Stewart Gilliam in a July 2000 sworn affidavit taken by Judicial Watch, a government watchdog group in Washington. “The Commerce Department’s collaboration with White House Deputy Counsel Mills on these matters was, in my experience, highly irregular and at variance with normal procedures.
<><> •At the same time, a federal judge ruled that Mills “failed miserably” to take proper steps to search for and recover 1.8 million Executive Office of the President and Office of the First Lady emails under subpoena in the Monica Lewinsky and Filegate scandal investigations, after computer contractors discovered them mysteriously missing from the automated White House archiving system. Mills, who was in charge of finding the lost email, conveniently made “the most critical error” in recovering them.
<><> US District Judge Royce Lamberth concluded in a 63-page opinion, adding that he found Mills actions “loathsome.” In fact, Judicial Watch accused Mills of orchestrating a “cover-up” in what became known as “Email-gate.” Her court testimony in the case, during which she repeatedly answered “I don’t have a recollection,” sounds like an interview with an amnesia patient. (In the end, the emails were never recovered).
<><> •In another scandal, Mills “concealed” so many subpoenaed emails and other documents detailing allegedly illegal fundraising activity between the White House and the Democratic National Committee — specifically, Hillary’s illegal integration of White House and DNC computer databases — that staff lawyers for the House Government Oversight Committee in 1998 sent a criminal referral to the Justice Department demanding federal prosecutors charge Mills with obstruction of justice and perjury. “Ms. Mills knowingly and willfully obstructed the investigative authority of this committee by withholding documents,” the panel concluded in a 647-page investigative report. “Moreover, when this obstruction was brought to light in a hearing before the committee, Ms. Mills lied under oath about the documents and the circumstances surrounding their nonproduction.”
<><> •In October 2012, Mills sorted through key Benghazi documents and decided which ones to withhold from an independent review board. She also leaned on witnessses. Deputy ambassador to Libya Gregory Hicks testified before Congress in 2013 that Mills told him in an angry phone call to stop cooperating with investigators.
<><> •On behalf of the Clintons, Mills negotiated the weak conflict-of-interest rules for disclosing foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation with the Obama administration. She also reportedly helped broker international payments to the group. In short, Mills “is in the middle of it,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said.
EXCERPT-—http://nypost.com/2015/05/17/hillary-clintons-consigliere-covers-up-for-her-scandals/
Simply remind them that the Hildabeasst was willing to blame an innocent Youtuber and SEND HIM TO PRISON. Then ask them if they are comfortable voting for someone who will jail ANYONE, regardless of their innocence, if it politically convenient.
(NOTE Gen al Sisi, 58, received a masters degree from the U.S. War College in Carlisle, Pa, in 2006. The General is revered by Egyptians for routing the Muslim Brotherhood which Egyptians consider a terrorist organization.)
Although officials would not discuss the specifics of the military-to-military talks, the US would have needed Gen al-Sisi's approval to move through Egyptian air space if Washington decided to send Marines to aid in the evacuation of U.S. personnel in the post-Morsi chaos.
READY TO ROLL About 550 Marines and their tilt-rotor MV-22 Osprey aircraft are at bases in Spain and Italy on standby if they are needed. A Navy Amphibious Ready Group with 4,000 Marines and sailors aboard, led by the helicopter assault ship Kearsarge, was also in the region following completion of the Eager Lion training exercises in Jordan.
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AIN'T KARMA A *ITCH, HILLARY? the US helicopter assault ship Kearsarge, WAS in the region, ready to airlift Benghazi personnel to safety. If Hillary did not know the Kearsage was ready to roll, she's as incompetent as the rest of them..... her all-girl State Dept and the venal Obama admin.
Fact is, Americans were lied to----we were told men and materiel were not available to help endangered Americans in Benghazi. REALITY CHECK-- The New York Times reports a year later Hillary’s private email account contained official info termed “sensitive but unclassified” (SBU).
According to the May 2015 NY Times article, Secy of State Hillary had '“information that included the whereabouts and travel plans of American officials in Libya as security there deteriorated during the uprising against the leadership of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi in 2011.”
Even more egregiously, Hillary was getting sub rosa emails from her henchman, Sidney Blumenthal, an individual who was banned from govt employment by Obama.
You are asking a specific question about a stand-down order.
Some other replies don’t address your question.
There have been numerous reports about security forces a few miles away
who were literally ready to go, loading up and boarding helicopters IIRC—and these reports included quotes from security forces who were THERE-—and they were told, no, don’t go. Not enough time, too late, yadda yadda. And these folks disputed that, saying there was time, they wanted to do something, but weren’t allowed. They were prevented from doing so by an order from on high—and IIRC, from whom the order came never been clear. I’m fuzzy on some of the details.
Ok, here’s what you need to know: there have been several threads on FR about the “stand down order.” Find those threads; perhaps use keywords “Benghazi” “Libya” “standdown” “chrisstevens” etc.
I’m a pretty new noobie and none of my searches ever work, but maybe this can help you or others to find the threads. I know they exist.
I am a immigrant from a corrupt country. Corruption permeates all levels of government. The reason for that is people accept corruption. In Hillary’s case, we know how corrupt she is (Clinton foundation, Haiti, Wikileaks). If we elect someone, who is known to be corrupt, what message is that sending to other politicians?
We are at a fork in the road, do we want to become a banana republic, or do we want a shot at restoring America.