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Dear Trump Supporters... Shove It! [Jim Robinson responds at 198]
Vanity | 2/16/2016 | pgyanke

Posted on 02/16/2016 11:38:31 AM PST by pgyanke

Dear Trump Supporters,

You say you don't support Ted Cruz because he's a liar (even though he backs up everything he says) and plays dirty politics (like sabotaging Dr Carson's run in Iowa). The former has been dealt with every time it's brought up. I want to deal with the latter definitively.

You say that Ted Cruz deliberately sabotaged Dr Carson in Iowa. However, it has been shown conclusively that Ted's team got the information from CNN who got the information from Dr Carson's team. If that hurt Dr Carson's results... show me one person who changed his vote because of that information. By now, someone should have come forward.

You want to know who is playing dirty politics? Your guy. I know many people who would like to vote for Ted Cruz but they don't think he's eligible due to the birther issue... because of your guy. There is a demonstrative level of support for Ted that is being suppressed by the allegation. Yet, the only definitive statement on the subject from an objective source (IL Board of Elections) has ruled in Ted's favor.

Your guy persists. Constitutional scholar that Donald Trump is, he persists with the birther comments and suppresses Ted Cruz's support. Oh wait... it's not because of the Constitution. Trump will drop it if Ted apologizes. Seriously? This isn't a Constitutional issue for Trump, it's personal... and that is his Achilles Heal. It's all personal for Trump.

You want to challenge Ted Cruz's eligibility? Do it. You simply want to keep the issue alive to hurt his campaign? That's just the usual dirty politics... and your guy isn't the paragon of virtue you claim.

So... put up or shove it.


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To: MayflowerMadam

[Yes, Ma’am. Trump’s sister was appointed as judge by REAGAN. ]

You mean, the same Reagan that appointed Justice Scalia??? That can’t be!! /sarc


121 posted on 02/16/2016 12:20:11 PM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Arm_Bears
Go back to DU.

Because clearly they want to ensure a Constitutional Conservative is elected. Care to add anything of substance?

122 posted on 02/16/2016 12:20:58 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
So... put up or shove it.

If you had the guts to say it to my face then I would......right up your ass with 200 lbs. of pressure.......

Lets see how long this stupid thread lasts......LOL!

123 posted on 02/16/2016 12:21:19 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Theo

The idea that the American legal system is going to open the Pandora’s box of original intent after recoiling from it for a hundred years is just a fantasy.

Whatever even initially successful legal challenge to Cruz’ eligibility can’t be based on original intent.

I predict it will be called a political question by the courts and left to elected officials.


124 posted on 02/16/2016 12:21:33 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: pgyanke

Okay, you shove it too.

Have a great day!


125 posted on 02/16/2016 12:21:45 PM PST by dforest
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To: MeganC
If you have to act like a Democrat to make your case to Republicans then you’ve already lost.

I agree. It's one of the main things I don't like about Trump and his cult.

126 posted on 02/16/2016 12:21:47 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I have a question, should trump win the RNC nomination and should he become president and should he start turning into a disaster.

Who is going to permanently kick all the trumpeteers off this board? Or will they self-deport?


127 posted on 02/16/2016 12:21:52 PM PST by GraceG (The election doesn't pick the next president, it is an audition for "American Emperor"...)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I’m with you, dear! Dun my homework and gathered my links.

I’m all over the next Trump-bashing ‘he likes his sister’ threads.

:)


128 posted on 02/16/2016 12:22:08 PM PST by Marie (TRUMP TRUTH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
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To: simpson96

Agree


129 posted on 02/16/2016 12:23:10 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Remember...after the primaries, we better still be on the same team!)
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To: Suz in AZ
I don't get it either. I haven't read "The Making of America", but I rather enjoyed "The 5000-Year Leap", especially the chapter about the Saxon civilization.

One fellow in the SLC area described Skousen as a controversial figure, with many admirers, and many vicious detractors. As Churchill said, that means one has taken a stand.

130 posted on 02/16/2016 12:23:55 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: GraceG

I have a question, should trump win the RNC nomination and should he become president and should he start turning into a disaster.

Who is going to permanently kick all the trumpeteers off this board? Or will they self-deport?”

No, no one kicked out the silly supporters of McCain, Romney, Bush, BUSH, etc. even after they screwed the entire world!


131 posted on 02/16/2016 12:24:00 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: 60Gunner

Nice post. I think it carries the thoughts of many here.


132 posted on 02/16/2016 12:24:12 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: pgyanke
Trump practices Saul Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals:

** RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

* RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

* RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

*** RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

**** RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

***** RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid "un-fun" activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

** RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

**** RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

***** RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists' minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

* RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management's wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

** RULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

*** RULE 12: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

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Thanks! If you read these. Even more THANKS!! if you read them with a critical mind (Asking yourself, "Do these things really apply to Donald Trump?") And Thanks, again if you came to the conclusion that I did - waaay back when Trump raised his hand at the first debate.

The man can't be trusted. He is not trustworthy.

He is also not extremely stupid. Long ago, he learned he can use self-aggrandizement, bluff, personal intimidation, lawsuits, and bankruptcy to benefit himself. He saw that Hillary and Obama can use Alinsky's 12 rules to gain political favor with ignorant people. So he practices what others have already proved can work in this age of moral relativism.

Trump is a politician: Ironically, that's EXACTLY what he says he is not.

And he has many people hoodwinked. Even some who may have read this post to its end. Certainly, this is true for those who read only enough to know they disagree before they moved on to their next distraction. Those don't even consider the possibility that they are drunk with the grape flavored Kool-Aid.

133 posted on 02/16/2016 12:24:20 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: pgyanke

4 days to go until another Trump landslide.


134 posted on 02/16/2016 12:24:26 PM PST by central_va
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To: GraceG
I have a question, should Cruz win the RNC nomination and should he become president and should he start turning into a disaster.

Who is going to permanently kick all the Cruzers off this board? Or will they self deport?

See how that works?

135 posted on 02/16/2016 12:24:28 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: kiryandil

As a Cruzer - I have to admit - I’m loling at that pic

Good One!


136 posted on 02/16/2016 12:24:54 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Is Ted Cruz a US Citizen? Yeah? Then Shut Up and Vote for Him.)
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To: pgyanke

“It’s one of the main things I don’t like about Trump and his cult.”

That comes from you being party first instead of USA FIRST!


137 posted on 02/16/2016 12:25:17 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Zathras
With time, FR will return to normal.

Ya mean when half the site was filled with Bush cheerleaders? I don't think so.

138 posted on 02/16/2016 12:25:39 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hugin
Another Cruzor Loser rant. Most of you guys have been saying you will never, ever, vote for Trump anyway. Why should we care what you say now?

I've never said that. Anyone of our guys is preferable to the Socialist and the Shrew. However, we should be discussing the candidates, not denigrating them. All of this attention to the Carson in Iowa situation is paled in comparison to the birther issue. If you want to sue... do it. Otherwise, it's just dirty politics meant to hurt a campaign.

139 posted on 02/16/2016 12:25:48 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: GraceG; pgyanke

Ted Cruz or Donald Trump would be a much better POTUS than Bernie S., Hillary C., Elizabeth W., or Joe B.

140 posted on 02/16/2016 12:26:23 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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