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Neil Tyson On The Politics Of Science Denial
Science 2.0 ^ | 9/1/2014 | Hank Campbell

Posted on 09/02/2014 11:10:04 AM PDT by JimSEA

Spend any time in American science media and you may find some of them are pretty far out of the political mainstream; so far out, they may not even be friends with anyone who has not always voted the same way as them.

So it's unsurprising that much of science media once perpetuated the claim that 'science votes Democrat.' Humans are fallible and confirmation bias is sneaky. As was apocryphally attributed to New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael after the 1972 Presidential election and a Richard M. Nixon landslide victory, "I don't know how Nixon won. No one I know voted for him." (1)

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To: tacticalogic

Not the ones who themselves have been deceived.


81 posted on 09/17/2014 8:55:42 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: tacticalogic

Nope, to the best of my knowledge no evolutionist has been tried and convicted of fraud [yet].

And I could not begin to ‘do the math’ for how much fraudulent science has been billed to the American taxpayers.


82 posted on 09/17/2014 8:57:08 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: ShadowAce
Not the ones who themselves have been deceived.

You do once it's factually established that what they're saying is fraudulent, if they keep doing it.

83 posted on 09/17/2014 9:00:32 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
And so we come back around to posts #59 and #63--The quote was "will be exposed for the fraud it is." This is a future tense. Obviously, there are people who sincerely believe evolution to be fact. They are deceived. While they are not committing fraud, they are perpetuating it.

Internet forums like this will have minimal impact on changing minds, so posts pointing to "proof" or "evidence" of one view or another are typically ignored or overlooked, because there is no one physically in the same space forcing an objective study of said proof/evidence.

While the knowledge/facts are out there on the Net, it takes real wisdom to be able to distinguish Truth from fraud.

84 posted on 09/17/2014 9:08:11 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Nope, to the best of my knowledge no evolutionist has been tried and convicted of fraud [yet].

Why just the evolutionists? Don't forget the geologists and physicists. They were there first.

85 posted on 09/17/2014 9:09:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Kinda like getting rid of Obama - it needs the tide of public opinion to reverse course - a complete paradigm shift.


86 posted on 09/17/2014 9:09:35 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: ShadowAce
"will be exposed for the fraud it is." This is a future tense.

And that was followed in the same sentence by "always has been". But you left that out.

Half-truths are the most seductive kind of lies.

87 posted on 09/17/2014 9:11:27 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: BrandtMichaels
Kinda like getting rid of Obama - it needs the tide of public opinion to reverse course - a complete paradigm shift.

Making scientific evidence subject to "public opinion" doesn't sound like a particularly good idea.

88 posted on 09/17/2014 9:14:45 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
Half-truths are the most seductive kind of lies.

Yes they are--and since you know that phrase was related to his belief of fraud, rather than the exposing of evolution as fraud, you twisted that whole thing around to make it look like I was cherry-picking words.

Words means things. Grammar provides the rules for context.

Learn both and be able to communicate.

89 posted on 09/17/2014 9:17:24 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: tacticalogic
Making scientific evidence subject to "public opinion" doesn't sound like a particularly good idea.

Then get rid of the whole "settled science" and "consensus" ideas when it comes to evolution.

90 posted on 09/17/2014 9:18:41 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Then get rid of the whole "settled science" and "consensus" ideas when it comes to evolution.

Why just evolution?

91 posted on 09/17/2014 9:22:50 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic; BroJoeK; JimSEA; ShadowAce

Here’s a website that sums up the fraud of evoltionists to date - quite well done imho esp. for a Wordpress article.

http://evolutionisntscience.wordpress.com/evolution-frauds/

Apparently Haeckel [is this where we got the term hack?] was convicted of fraud by his university peers. but as for most of the others apparently it was left for God to judge ultimately.

1st paragraph is really quite good too.

“In 1859, in his book Origin of the Species, Charles Darwin said: “Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, (why) do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms?”. This is from chapter six entitled Difficulties on the Theory. Scientists who believe evolution have been searching for transitional forms ever since but they have been not found. Therefore, fraudulent fossils have been made and presented as transitional forms.”


92 posted on 09/17/2014 9:26:16 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: ShadowAce
Yes they are--and since you know that phrase was related to his belief of fraud, rather than the exposing of evolution as fraud, you twisted that whole thing around to make it look like I was cherry-picking words.

You were cherry-picking. My complaint was not with the assertion that evolution will eventually be found to be fraudulent (it might or might not be), but with the assertion that it is and always has been because it contradicts the Bible, and what the consequences of using that as an established standard of fraud would be.

93 posted on 09/17/2014 9:28:25 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Not just evolution, but that is the topic of this discussion.


94 posted on 09/17/2014 9:32:02 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Here’s a website that sums up the fraud of evoltionists to date

Then Haeckel is the only evolutionist so far.

95 posted on 09/17/2014 9:32:15 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Q: “what the consequences of using [the Bible] as an established standard of fraud would be” ~ [I’d prefer to have it say established standard of truth or even absolute truth].

A: A country where truth, justice and liberty prevail! Or just maybe the closest thing to utopia this side of Heaven!


96 posted on 09/17/2014 9:35:57 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: ShadowAce
Not just evolution, but that is the topic of this discussion.

Have you given any thought at all to the consequences of doing that, beyond the subject of evolution?

97 posted on 09/17/2014 9:36:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: BrandtMichaels
A country where truth, justice and liberty prevail! Or just maybe the closest thing to utopia this side of Heaven!

Promises of utopia invariably deliver something that turns closer to Hell.

98 posted on 09/17/2014 9:41:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Nope, it just shows you how rare a fraud conviction can be - esp. for the ivory tower folks.


99 posted on 09/17/2014 9:44:22 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: tacticalogic

So you’re in favor of science by consensus?

Also is the science really only settled with a majority?

Or is there a certain higher percentage you’d prefer?


100 posted on 09/17/2014 9:47:32 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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