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Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy
birtherreport ^ | March 31, 2014 | Linda Jordan

Posted on 03/31/2014 10:55:40 AM PDT by ethical

Seeing With One’s Own Eyes : Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy by Linda Jordan

The principal aim of an autopsy is to determine the cause of death when the cause of death is equivocal or unknown. It is a “strictly the facts ma’am” kind of procedure.

A Medical Examiner or Coroner simply reports what is “seen with their own eyes” concerning the condition of the body and organs after an autopsy. A review of the deceased’s medical history is also included in their assessment. When all is said and done they offer a professional opinion as to the manner of death based on the physical findings and medical history.

If you have ever read a Coroner’s report you know they are very dry. No ad-libbing or wild guessing, no emotion, just straight reporting and fact based conclusions about the state of the body. Lots of words and phrases like, “anterior thorax”, “usual lobular architecture”, “unremarkable”, “perirenal soft tissue”, “sclerae and conjunctivae”, “intact”, “coronary arteries arise normally”, “well-preserved follicular and trabecular markings”.

That’s why I was concerned by newspaper accounts of the Hawaii Medical Examiner’s reported cause of death for Loretta Fuddy, the former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health. What the medical examiner has released so far is heavy on the perceived emotion of Loretta at the time of her death and speculation about the condition of her heart.

Emotion and speculation are not things the medical examiner could have seen with her own eyes.

Some Background.

You will remember that Loretta Fuddy was the person who released photo copies of Barack Obama’s original, long form Certificate of Live Birth. She did this at Obama’s request and said that she hoped it would put an end to the “numerous inquiries” the Hawaii DOH has received to produce the document. Judith Corley, Obama’s lawyer, says she flew to Hawaii to collect this document.

Obama then posted the purported birth certificate to the White House website on April 27, 2011. It has since been proven to be an abject forgery. It was not a scan of a photo copy of an original document. It was a forged PDF file that never existed in paper form until someone pushed print.

Loretta Fuddy died after a plane crash on December 11, 2013. Just a month and a half prior she had been named in two affidavits filed in U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington. The originator of the affidavits had asked that a Grand Jury be convened to investigate Obama’s forged birth certificate and Fuddy’s role, if any, in its production.

Fuddy and her Deputy Director Keith Yamamoto had traveled to the island of Molokai that day on a work related trip. On their return flight the small plane they were riding in was forced to make an emergency ocean landing, fairly close to shore, after suffering a complete engine failure.

It was a very smooth landing according to the video one passenger captured. All nine passengers, including Loretta, secured their life jackets and calmly disembarked from the plane. In fact there was almost no sound as they exited into the approximately 70 degree water.

Within minutes after the forced landing a small plane flew overhead and survivors knew that help was on the way. Then, inexplicably, Loretta Fuddy suffered an equivocal death. A death of unknown origin.

Problems With The Autopsy: The First Cause Of Death Release.

Loretta was the only fatality, and a high profile one. Autopsies are to be performed as soon after death as possible. Preferably within 24 hours. It was reported that Loretta Fuddy’s autopsy took place two days after her death. Why wait two days? And if the autopsy was completed on December 13th, 2013 why were the results kept private for a month? Details from the autopsy report were not revealed until January 13, 2014. And scant details they were. The Maui Police Department, not the Medical Examiner’s Office, reported that Loretta Fuddy, “suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water” and that Fuddy's “irregular heartbeat” was the result of stress brought on by the December 11 crash.

It is not possible to diagnose death by “cardiac arrhythmia”. It is something that can only be measured in a live person and there is no evidence of it after death. If someone had a medical history of cardiac arrhythmia it could be a good guess but a guess none the less.

And therein lies the rub. The Medical Examiners designation of death, cardiac arrhythmia due to stress, is in direct conflict with the known facts.

Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., says that his sister was healthy, that she had no heart problems and that she was not a stressed or fearful person. He said that she was a very calm person and had to be given her job. His personal knowledge of his own sister directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion.

Passenger accounts of what transpired during the crash and after directly controverts the medical examiners conclusion.

“Clyde Kawasaki, the pilot, has said Fuddy seemed to be in fine condition while bobbing in the water after everyone left the airplane and waited for rescue crews to show up at the scene.”

'Everyone was real quiet. We hit (the water) and it was all about getting the belts off,' he said, describing how everyone started putting on life jackets and remained on the plane until it seemed to start sinking.'There wasn't panic or anything. It was very orderly,' he said. Phillip Hollstein

“Bobbing in the water, Hollstein noticed the pilot and seven other passengers seemed fine. 'I didn't want to sit out there bobbing, so I figured I'd take a shot at going to the shoreline.' He guesses the swim to the rugged shoreline took an hour and a half. He was surprised to hear later that one of the passengers, Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy, had later died. 'She was doing fine out of the airplane,' Hollstein said”.

The video footage of the actual plane crash directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion. Loretta Fuddy was not screaming or crying. No one was. “The 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan's cabin starts to flood after impact - but everyone remains calm and eerily quiet as they leave the sinking craft.” “In the video, the passengers can be seen making their way out calmly.”

There is only one hearsay account that Fuddy needed to “relax” after the crash. KeithYamamoto purportedly told Rev. Patrick Killilea that he had held Loretta’s hand and tried to help her to “relax” but at some point she let go of his hand and was unresponsive.

The Second Cause Of Death Release.

Two months after the Maui Police Department revealed Fuddy’s cause of death the Associated Press (AP) sent out a short article with details straight from their own copy of the autopsy report which they obtained on March 10, 2014. Now, four months after her death, we learn this from newspaper accounts of the AP story.

*‘Autopsy report says Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” after plane crash’.

*‘Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her.’

*‘The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11.’

*‘The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean.’

*The autopsy said [Fuddy’s] acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation.

*Official autopsy results for late state health director Loretta Fuddy reveal she was a poor swimmer and never swam in ocean waters.

*According to the report, witnesses saw Fuddy exit the aircraft with her flotation device and [she] was “markedly afraid” while waiting for rescue personnel to arrive. She was pronounced dead after being brought to shore. (This is in direct conflict with first hand witness accounts reported at the time. Remember the pilot and passenger Hollstein both said Fuddy was calm and was doing fine and no witness in any newspaper account of the crash ever said Fuddy was “markedly afraid”. So where did this come from?)

*The [autopsy] report says reported ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves that occasionally splashed over the face of the crash victims as they awaited rescue.

Listen to the words coming out of the medical examiner’s report: Loretta Fuddy was markedly afraid, it was a traumatic ordeal, she was a poor swimmer, she never swam in the ocean, water occasionally splashed over her face while awaiting rescue, ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves. This is an autopsy report? Does this sound like a systematic external and internal examination of a dead body to determine if any abnormalities are present and are the cause of death? Where are the words that actually tell us the condition of her body and health? Why are the emotional, speculative words pushed to the forefront but the technical, factual descriptions are kept hidden? And why is this autopsy report filled with emotion and speculation in the first place?

The AP did not share a copy of the report which was said to be heavily redacted. It is important to note that attorney Orly Taitz made a public records request for the autopsy report on December 18, 2013 and has never received a copy.

Why did the AP get a copy but not Taitz? It is a public record subject to Hawaii’s Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. I requested one myself but seriously doubt it will be forthcoming . Is it only released to people who will beat the drum that Loretta’s death was caused by fear & hyperventilation?

A final point. One headline announcing the Maui Police Department’s release of autopsy details (January 13, 2014) said that Loretta’s death had been ruled “accidental”.

As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash so how can the Medical Examiner or the Maui Police Department rule Fuddy’s death “accidental”?

Closing.

The Medical Examiner’s autopsy report guesses at the cause of death for Loretta Fuddy. And sometimes, absent any clues from the body, that’s all you can do. However, I would wager in this case that most Medical Examiners would have gone with, “manner of death undetermined”. But what makes Dr. Harle’s guess most disturbing is the fact that it is in direct conflict with eyewitness accounts of Loretta at the time of the crash and in direct conflict with her own brother’s knowledge of her.

She’s clearly trying to make a square peg fit in to a round hole in spite of the facts.

Review all the documentation I’ve supplied. See it with your own eyes and then ask yourself three questions.

1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?

2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?

3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?

Read it again and let it sink in.

‘The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." ‘ ."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves."

End Notes

1 having two or more possible meanings: not easily understood or explained 2 Unlike Coroners, Medical Examiners are government-appointed physicians who are certified specialists in forensic pathology. They do not need permission from the next of kin to perform an autopsy. 3 Origin of AUTOPSY: Greek autopsia, the act of seeing with one's own eyes, First Known Use: 1678. 4 Dr. Harle, Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 5 There is such a thing as a Psychological Autopsy (PA) particularly in cases of suspected suicide where life insurance policies are involved. They include extensive interviews with family, friends and a review of the deceased personal records. Conclusions based on this kind of autopsy are generally not accepted in legal criminal proceedings but have been used in civil cases. They primarily serve to bring closure to the family. A PA is done in addition to the autopsy performed by the Medical Examiner. There is no suggestion that Loretta Fuddy killed herself and no evidence that a PA was performed on her. 6 http://www.mcso.org/PressRelease/ 2012 March 1,21, July 17 7 Ms. Fuddy was named in two affidavits (one public, one sealed) filed in the U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington on October 18, 2013, by Douglas Vogt, citing twenty points of forgery that comprise misprision of treason and misprision of felony. Vogt, with researcher and document expert Paul Irey, investigated the intricacies of the forgery. Mr. Vogt’s affidavit and Ms. Fuddy’s involvement gained national attention when he was interviewed on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report on December 4, 2013, exactly one week to the day before her tragic death on December 11, 2013. http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2014/01/12/what-are-the-chances-the-mysterious-death-of-loretta-fuddy-by-doug-hagmann/ 8 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/12/hawaii-obama-birth-certificate-fuddy/3996657/ 9 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 10 http://pathlabs.ufl.edu/services/autopsy/faq-autopsy http://usaforensics.com/faqs/ 11 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html “Fuddy's irregular heartbeat was the result of stress from the Dec. 11 crash… Maui police announced, revealing the findings of an autopsy conducted two days after the crash. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. “All the passengers, including Fuddy, safely evacuated the plane and activated life-vests, but according to a newly released autopsy, Fuddy suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water, waiting for rescuers.” “Fuddy, 65, was healthy and didn't have any known heart problems, her brother, Lewis Fuddy, said Monday."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves." 12 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 13 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 14 Pathologist factors: Some doctors express dissatisfaction with the quality of an autopsy if the pathologist does not provide answers regarding the case. Unfortunately, an autopsy does not guarantee that the cause of death, for example a heart arrhythmia, will be identified. http://www.medicinenet.com/autopsy/page3.htm#what_is_the_autopsy_report 15 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 16 Heart trouble led to Fuddy's death But the state health director did not have cardiac or stress problems, her brother says’ By Timothy Hurley POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jan 14, 2014 The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 17 http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/13/22294162-hawaiian-health-director-died-of-irregular-heartbeat-after-plane-crash?lite 18 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536931/New-footage-shows-harrowing-moment-small-plane-crashed-Hawaii-killed-woman-published-President-Obamas-birth-certificate.html#ixzz2xN5RYmJN 19 http://www.chicagonewsday.com/feed/national/11572-new-footage-shows-the-harrowing-moment-a-small-plane-crashed-off-hawaii-and-killed-the-woman-who-published-president-obama-s-birth-certificate.txt 20 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 21 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 22 In the final moments of her life, Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy, Keith Yamamoto, while floating in the water. Fuddy, who became widely known in 2011 for her role in making President Barack Obama’s birth certificate public, held hands with Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal. http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/state-wire/survivor-recounts-plane-crash-killed-fuddy#sthash.KpCCTidu.dpuf 23 Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her. The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11. The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean. Maui police have said her death was the result of an irregular heartbeat triggered by stress. The autopsy said the acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. Maui County cited privacy laws for redacting significant portions of the report. http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140310_Autopsy_report_said_health_director_was_markedly_afraid_after_plane_crash 24 http://khon2.com/2014/03/11/autopsy-reveals-fuddys-final-moments-after-crash/ 25 http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-lawyer-files-request-fuddy-autopsy/ 26 Email On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:40 PM, from Linda Jordan to Orly Taitz. I was just curious if they gave you a copy of the autopsy like they did the AP? And if they did not, why not? You did request one right? LJ they did not provide me with any answer and right now I do not have the money to file yet another law suit in HI to get it (Orly Taitz) 27 March 26, 2014 TO: Public Records Officer Coroner and Medical Examiner’s Office of Maui County RE: Request for Public Record Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy The Associated Press reported on March 12th, 2014 that they had received a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Fuddy conducted by Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner for Maui County. I am requesting a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy aka Loretta Deliana Fuddy under the Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. Fuddy’s date of death was reported as December 11, 2013. Date of autopsy reported as December 12 or 13, 2013. I will pay the cost of copies and mailing. Electronic transfer would be acceptable also. Thank you, Linda Jordan Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 28 Hyperventilation brought on by panic or fear rarely results in death. 29 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 30 http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 31 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html


TOPICS: Conspiracy; UFO's
KEYWORDS: barrycide; birthcertificate; birthers; bobbauer; butterdezillion; eligibility; forgery; fraud; fuddy; hawaii; kenyanbornmuzzie; lorettafuddy; maui; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: little jeremiah

thank you. it’s much easier for me to read (at this point in my unemployed life) something short. i will look for it at the local library.


321 posted on 04/04/2014 12:22:54 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Fred Nerks

I am putting these down on my list. Thank you1


322 posted on 04/04/2014 12:23:39 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: butterdezillion

Thanks for the research that you do butter and for putting yourself out there, which not everyone is willing to do.


323 posted on 04/04/2014 12:35:30 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: GBA

“If you aren’t at least getting some special attention from IRS from time to time, like with the many TEA party groups last election, then you’re probably not trying hard enough.”

so true, but lol (sadly lol at a fed govt agency, one of many, running amok)


324 posted on 04/04/2014 12:50:46 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

After you read “One Day in the Life etc” you will want to read “The Gulag”.


325 posted on 04/04/2014 12:54:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

thank you. it’s hard for me to concentrate with being in the hole that i am in and not being able to find employment and all that comes with being employed (as being able to pay bills, take my kids out to a restaurant, go hiking because then i could afford the gas, a car, etc.).

I would love to have a ‘vacation’ by being able to be drawn into a book.

thanks again for the suggestion, and i will look for those books at the library


326 posted on 04/04/2014 1:01:28 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Jim Robinson
... the Bodega Border Patrol tailing us everywhere we go...

I knew it was serious, but that is downright scary!

327 posted on 04/04/2014 1:02:41 PM PDT by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Woke up with a bloody horse’s head in my bed the next day.

My bad.

I got lazy and ignored about half the check boxes on the Barbecue delivery site.

Better next time, already got a credit.

328 posted on 04/04/2014 1:50:53 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Yeah, but bloody? Make mine medium rare next time. Thanks.


329 posted on 04/04/2014 1:52:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

My drone feed indicates you had it for lunch.


330 posted on 04/04/2014 1:56:35 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: dirtboy

Too obvious. Like the Bill Gwatney death. I and quite a few others have already said this.


331 posted on 04/04/2014 1:56:53 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: dirtboy
There is a serious problem with what you are trying to do here. NSA, IRS, Fast and Furious - those are real scandals with hard evidence where the Dems and MSM try to pretend otherwise.

That is EXACTLY why the eligibility issue is so important!

The issues you bring up, NSA, IRS, F&F, will go nowhere. Why? Because the MSM actively works to promote, and protect the left. And the majority of Americans will continue to believe whatever they are told by the MSM. The average American of moderate/independent political belief has no idea how biased the MSM is. They may feel that MSNBC is a bit to the left, and Fox is a bit to the right, but they basically believe whatever they are told.

I'm a 'birther'. I have no idea where Obama was born, or who his parents were, and I honestly don't care. Is Obama an NBC or not, I don't think so, but I don't care. While I'd love to see Obama removed from office, I don't care if he actually is or not. Those things are not important. What IS important is that people come to realize how they have been manipulated, and ask themselves the question 'How"?

One thing I am certain about, is that Obama is not the person that the media made him out to be. If his history is not what he made it out as, and that can be proven, people will start asking questions about how much they can trust the MSM. How could the media have all this information about Palin, but they couldn't veryify anything about Obama? And that the MSM for years called these 'birthers' crazy racists - and they were right? That is what we need! We need average people to start questioning the MSM. If they start doubting what the MSM media is telling them, they will start looking deeper, and see the truth.

Unless the bias of the MSM is brought to the attention of the average American, there will never be another Republican President.
332 posted on 04/04/2014 1:58:49 PM PDT by MMaschin
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To: dirtboy

It’s not changing the subject. You said there is way more and better evidence for Benghazi being a conspiracy. So I asked you for the video that shows that we’ve been lied to about Benghazi.

If a video of things not adding up like we were told isn’t good enough evidence to warrant further investigation then I’d be interested to know what IS.


333 posted on 04/04/2014 1:59:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: Jim Robinson

No, it’s what people call themselves, who come onto Free Republic to pose as conservatives in order to make people think their thoughts are what real conservatives are thinking.

It’s an attempt to change the public perception of what is mainstream and what is extreme. Van Jones talked about doing it, and there was actually a law passed that allows the US Department of State to do it - hire people to use a fake identity and say stuff on social media, forums, etc that they think will impact foreigners’ perception of the US and her politics.

Fogbow brags about the “sock puppets” who come in to try to marginalize people. They brag about the particular people they used that ploy on, to get rid of them and/or destroy their reputation.

They are using this place and laughing about it at their place.


334 posted on 04/04/2014 2:05:23 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: butterdezillion
FR is extreme, thankyouverymuch. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. My only question is, why aren't all Americans extreme about defending liberty? It's the American heritage. Or used to be.
335 posted on 04/04/2014 2:10:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: MMaschin

At the very least people should be asking why ABC deliberately pixelated their videos., as evidenced by the bandicam screenshots I’ve posted on my blog that are much clearer than what ABC allows on their websites.

To me, one of the reasons the Fuddy story is big is because it clearly shows how ABC is covering up what they earlier reported. And that is beyond debate, once you’ve looked at the video that ABC has up now and compare it with the images I’ve posted from the bandicam recording taken before the files were pixelated.


336 posted on 04/04/2014 2:13:45 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: butterdezillion
No, it’s what people call themselves, who come onto Free Republic to pose as conservatives

And I'll bet a lot of those are folks who pretend not to buy into this-or-that conspiracy, huh?

in order to make people think their thoughts are what real conservatives are thinking.

I don't know what that means, but it ought to be an Ozzy lyric.

Fogbow brags about the “sock puppets” who come in to try to marginalize people.

If I started posting proof of Nazis on the moon I betcha somebody would mock that too.

They are using this place and laughing about it at their place.

You can stop that by not posting loopy laughable stuff.

337 posted on 04/04/2014 2:15:20 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: butterdezillion
BOOM!

Proof there are Nazis on the moon!

What do you see?


338 posted on 04/04/2014 2:18:32 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: machogirl

Sorry to hear of your work situation, I hope you find something suitable. Reading either book will take you into another world. Not a pretty one. I need to get ahold of “Gulag”.


339 posted on 04/04/2014 2:19:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: butterdezillion
there was actually a law passed that allows the US Department of State to do it - hire people to use a fake identity and say stuff on social media, forums, etc that they think will impact foreigners’ perception of the US and her politics.

Citation?

340 posted on 04/04/2014 2:19:09 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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