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DNA hint of European origin for dogs
BBC ^ | 14 November 2013 Last updated at 14:32 ET | Jonathan Amos

Posted on 11/14/2013 7:55:26 PM PST by BenLurkin

Earlier DNA studies have suggested the modern pooch - in all its shapes and sizes - could track its beginnings back to wolves that attached themselves to human societies in the Middle East or perhaps in East Asia as recently as 15,000 years ago.

The problem with these claims is that palaeontologists have found fossils of distinctly dog-looking animals that are 30,000 years old or more.

Dr Thalmann, from Finland's University of Turku, and his team, have had another go at trying to sort through the conflicting DNA evidence.

They compared genetic sequences from a wide range of ancient animals - both dogs and wolves - with material taken from living canines - again, from both dogs and wolves.

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This analysis reveals modern dogs to be most closely related to ancient European wolves or dogs - not to any of the wolf groups from outside Europe, nor even to modern European wolves (suggesting the link is with old European wolves that are now extinct). And because the dog remains used in the research are dated to be more than 18,000 years old, it indicates a timing for domestication that is much older than some researchers have previously argued.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; dietandcuisine; domestication; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; huntergatherers
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To: BenLurkin

A good idea, dogs, has many parents.


21 posted on 11/14/2013 9:25:00 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Lower55

Ah ha!! You are beginning to understand evolution. The “parent” species need not, itself, go extinct.


22 posted on 11/14/2013 9:28:12 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: entropy12

So, where is this crap written? I would like to know. It is amazing what we pump into the drones heads. I haven’t seen any fossil records. “transitional fossils” but just like the rest of the evolutionist crap all just made up junk sience. Amazing what we have to put up with to keep this false religion going.


23 posted on 11/14/2013 10:47:23 PM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: BenLurkin

As a creationist, I believe that all species (not breeds) of animal were present in Eden, and subsequently in the ark. I believe that, while the curse of sin made many if not most animals either hostile toward, or fearful of man, God in His mercy allowed several species to remain tame or tameable.

Therefore, I believe that all domestic dog breeds are descended from, frankly, Noah’s pets, and walked off the ark at his side. Ditto cats.

Somebody reading this is going to laugh. Whoever you are, I pity you, and hope you answer His call before it’s too late.


24 posted on 11/15/2013 2:39:47 AM PST by ExGeeEye (The enemy's gate is down...and to the left.)
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To: Jonty30
These were not "Europeans" 15,000 years ago, nor was it "China".

These were Indo-europeans who most likely originated in the Eurasian steppes around the Caspian sea. The Tocharians lived in what is now Xingiang for centuries until they were pushed out by the Turkic Uighurs (who in turn had been pushed by the Han Chinese)

25 posted on 11/15/2013 3:14:10 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: JimSEA

Ah ha!! You are beginning to understand evolution. The “parent” species need not, itself, go extinct


Well, common and broadly accepted theory has Caucasians evolving from Africa and Africans.....


26 posted on 11/15/2013 5:58:47 AM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: S.O.S121.500

That would be homo sapiens evolved in Africa and spread throughout Africa and the world in time. Caucasians are a localized adaptation like light skin Asians and not a separate species. Much like a Siamese cat is yet a cat.


27 posted on 11/15/2013 9:23:06 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: Busko

Bones of wolves have been discovered along with human bones in caves, from death by natural causes.


28 posted on 11/15/2013 10:58:40 AM PST by entropy12 (Zero thanks to all who stayed home and helped elect president Zero.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"American indians had dogs too."

Yup. They're still here too...mostly still living in the wild.
(An article I posted here in 2001)

The Dixie Dingo

"Genetic (mitochondrial DNA) testing being performed at the University of South Carolina, College of Science and Mathematics, indicates that these dogs, related to the earliest domesticated dogs, are the remnant descendants of the feral pariah canids who came across the Bering land mass 8,000 to 11,000 years ago as hunting companions to the ancestors of the Native Americans."

29 posted on 11/15/2013 11:05:08 AM PST by blam
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To: Cronos
"These were Indo-europeans who most likely originated in the Eurasian steppes around the Caspian sea. The Tocharians lived in what is now Xingiang for centuries until they were pushed out by the Turkic Uighurs (who in turn had been pushed by the Han Chinese) "

Tocharians

On The Presence On Non-Chinese At Anyang

30 posted on 11/15/2013 11:13:51 AM PST by blam
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To: JimSEA

Nice try. And one of the tribesmen had a Maltese to breed the wolf to...LMAO

Evolution wouldnt work that way. No way, no how.


31 posted on 12/03/2013 6:20:44 PM PST by Lower55
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Note: this topic is from 11/14/2013. Thanks BenLurkin.

32 posted on 06/20/2015 12:49:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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