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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 38 SEPTEMBER 20, 2013
Free Republic | September 13, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 09/20/2013 12:16:53 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


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I overworked myself again on the land today. I can barely feel my arms. But, I got about 10 pounds of sugar beets dug up and brought home! I’d been planning to leave them until the first frost, but something has been chomping at the leaves so I decided it was better to bring them in now. I just finished putting up the leaves and stalks in the freezer. I normally don’t like greens, but beet greens are tolerable, and these are almost tasty, so I wanted to make use of them.

I thought my squash would be ready, but it was telling me it wants a little more time. Same with the chickpeas.

Hopefully they won’t get eaten away from me. It seems one neighbor’s horses have gotten loose so often lately that the rumor is going around that he’s turning them loose every night on purpose!


261 posted on 09/22/2013 9:28:16 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: Marcella; JRandomFreeper
It's a nippy 51 degree morning in the TX Hill Country. I ordered the 6 ml. plastic for my Gonna be a TexasPrepper's Greenhouse from Amazon. Will plant my Minowase Daikon Radishes today. Planted my green onions and 10-15's yesterday.

all the rain this past week was nice, and now that it's gone, the sound of lawn mowers was more prevalent than birds around here this weekend.

Last night I saw a possum sticking his head out from my eaves. Guess that means the raccoon has left..unless possums and raccoons are now shacking up together.

Marcella, hope your neck is better.

262 posted on 09/23/2013 4:39:58 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: reed13k

Here is a link to the Mo. Botanical Garden Plant Finder:
I input zone 4, clay soil, wet soil and got 3 pages of stuff to look at. Don’t know if any will be suitable.

http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/plant-finder/plantfinder-results.aspx?zone=4&Clay=true&Wet=true&displayview=profile


263 posted on 09/23/2013 4:49:28 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: sockmonkey
“It's a nippy 51 degree morning in the TX Hill Country.”

At 8 a.m., it's 70 degrees with less humidity than I've seen since summer started, in Montgomery County, which is the county that meets Harris County (Houston) to the south.

Yes, my neck is better, I'm not using anything to help hold it still. Mr. Stevia plant looks fine, plenty of green leaves.

264 posted on 09/23/2013 6:18:55 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: sockmonkey

You are welcome for the recipe. Very simple! I looked into macrobiotics a number of years ago, and I learned about them then. Macrobiotic cookbooks have some wonderful recipes using them. Miso soups, daikon with various whole grains and legumes.....yum!


265 posted on 09/23/2013 7:39:21 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Thanks for the bug ID tips. I can see I have a whole new universe of learning curve to approach now. Went to a book store yesterday and thumbed through a couple of bug books, but wasn’t satisfied with their systems. They didn’t seem easy to use at all. I’ll keep looking. I like your idea of asking my county agent if I have a sample or a picture.

I saw a tiny little black and white beetle yesterday...actually lots of them. They were on my bean plant. They were probably about 1/2 centimeter and were a roundish shape. The only google images that came close were called “carpet beetles” but the coloration was wrong. *sigh* I could not tell if they were doing damage or not.

But I learned my lesson. I may not have any bean plants when I go outside today, but I did not squish yet! I have to remind myself that I’m EXPERIMENTING and that even if I lose plants, I’m doing this to LEARN. [And boy, AM I!]


266 posted on 09/23/2013 7:48:41 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: tillacum

“OH horrors of horrors, you murderer you.”

LOL!

I KNOW!!! Isn’t it just AWFUL??!!!

I found that neem oil does seem to help with the driving away the squash bugs....but I’ve not done very well with my squash growing, so I am not really one to talk. I just know that when I have sprayed it on them they run for the hills!

I think my squash problems are not the larger bugs, but perhaps something smaller. I get blooms but no fruit.


267 posted on 09/23/2013 7:54:54 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: mlizzy

Oh how brave and cool you are! You grew them just to see what you would get!

I’m glad for the report on how they have grown for you. I am becoming more motivated to try them.

You are welcome for the recipes. I learned about them during my studies of macrobiotics a number of years ago. For more really wonderful recipes for them, take a look at some macrobiotic cookbooks.


268 posted on 09/23/2013 7:58:38 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: greeneyes
I am going to try to convince hubby to try to make some rose hip wine. That sounds like it would be really good for several ailments.LOL
All this rose hip talk has brought me back to my "hedge" that I planted some 20 years ago. I had contacted the Chicago Botanic Gardens information center, and they suggestion Rosa Carolina (native to Illinois!) for a wild rose. It grew very, very well, and by suckering, was doing battle with the lemon balm to completely take over our front-yard garden, and except for a portion cordoned off by concrete! (where I had planted low-grow sumac; nice pretty foilage, that eventually in the season took on some ailment though--never did look into it), the lemon balm and rosa did just that.

But now I'm thinking since we have a huge deep front yard (for the burbs anyway), that I could plant a few Carolinas (up front) as they were not struck with any disease (for the most part), formed a beautiful tall thick hedge, the flowers very simple, fragrant, and plentiful, and the rose hips that followed were large enough to put to good use.

(I had never really looked into how to use them prior, though; thanks for the link you sent.) It mentions putting them in boiling water, so I'm wondering about that in regard to saving the vitamin C. I suppose if I just make wine, I don't have to worry about it (in more ways than one as you say)... :) Thanks again!

Rosa Carolina
269 posted on 09/23/2013 8:07:50 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Marcella

Marcella: “So part of the problem is, which plants will grow best in this space”

Johnny: “I don’t know either. Or when the ones that do well need to be started. You will figure it out. Then you will be a PhD candidate for your particular microclimate. It’s a lot like that.

People that think a sealed can of ‘open pollinated’ seeds, and no experience, will save them if the SHTF are going to die disappointed.”

Words to live by.

Right now I know I can grow okra and cucumbers and sunflowers through the wazoo. If I can figure out what’s eating on my snow peas and care for them properly, I can grow those. Tomatoes are marginal. I have a lot to learn there. Black turtles are probably good for our yard as well because they have survived and are actually producing pretty well. Again, gotta figure out what’s eating on those. I think this year it was grasshoppers. The asparagus patch is still surviving, so that looks promising.

So we have a few winners from our tryouts this year. I’ve captured the info on the TSquash from Marcella and plan to try that one next spring. My scallop, yellow, and acorn squashes have been so far pretty disappointing.

So we have the makings for a good gumbo with side dish of beans. Sunflowers for oil.

/johnny


270 posted on 09/23/2013 8:18:26 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Thanks for the info about the Support Americal protests by the motorcyclers and the upcoming one of the truckers.

Your point about knowing that the truckers will be otherwise occupied from doing their regular supply runs is well taken.


271 posted on 09/23/2013 8:29:45 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Marcella
My heavy use of mulches and ground covers this year has worked great. Preparing the garden for fall is moving much faster than it normally would. I've already put in several hours this morning getting it ready for my fall/winter onions.

/johnny

272 posted on 09/23/2013 8:35:37 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: sockmonkey
I ordered the 6 ml. plastic for my Gonna be a TexasPrepper's Greenhouse from Amazon.
Such fun. I would love to have more knowledge (tools!) regarding building.

We are in Zone 5 (Chicago area). How long, do you think/know, the greenhouse (at the following link) would extend our growing season?

https://frameitall.com/productdisplay/raised-garden-cedar-urban-2in-4x4ft-1-level-cw-pvc-greenhouse
273 posted on 09/23/2013 8:41:11 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: JRandomFreeper
“I've already put in several hours this morning getting it ready for my fall/winter onions.”

I've got 8 walking onions up. I worry about them since the planter they are in is close to the back fence and the squirrels live just behind that back fence. I cover the onions every night with row cover.

I also cover the very tall, 5 ft. 5 inch, “T” squash. Ever since a squirrel got in the barrel with that squash, I freak out every evening until I cover it.

It appears I know how to keep squirrels away - put out a trap with plenty of peanut butter in it and they won't come where it is. I've got a bag of anti-squirrel pellets and when son comes in Oct., I'll get him to put some of those on top of the back fence and on top of the brick walls. The squirrels first jump onto the top of the walls before they jump into the garden. I'll also put those pellets around the outside of the garden so if they do jump in, they land on those pellets and maybe they will leave then.

I've figured out how to replenish the potting soil mix for next spring but I haven't bought the stuff yet.

I will definitely get the Deck Corn from Burpee when it is available. I'm on their list to notify when they have it.

274 posted on 09/23/2013 9:03:13 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What kind of onions do you grow? I’ll try regular onions (as opposed to walking onions) next spring and have at least one envelope of onion seed, maybe two, but don’t have any info. as to whether they will be good for Texas.


275 posted on 09/23/2013 9:08:43 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: TEXOKIE

“I’ve captured the info on the TSquash from Marcella and plan to try that one next spring.”

If and when I see a bloom on the very tall T squash, I will have a celebration.


276 posted on 09/23/2013 9:10:45 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella; greeneyes
Valencia is what I'm growing this year, and I'm trying out the Utah onions. We'll see how it goes.

I've opened up a little more than 300 sq ft in mostly shade for the tobacco next year. The soil is sandy and lacks much in the way of biomass.

I decided to put winter wheat in there for ground cover and till it in next spring for green manure. This is one of the very few times that I'm using commercial fertilizer on my property.

I did broadcast the wheat pretty heavy. Over a quart for 300 sq ft. ;)

/johnny

277 posted on 09/23/2013 9:13:32 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

that’s really cool


278 posted on 09/23/2013 9:25:37 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: TEXOKIE

We did too. When I watered the big bugs came up, but there were a lot of little black things down close to the ground.
I sprayed with organic, and it didn’t do any good. So if I grow them again, and I will, I’ll use Neem oil next time.
Just pulled my mini carrots, some were really mini, but I’ll use those in our salad. The larger ones will go in the stew
of leftovers, we’ll have tonight.
I have a used “self watering” pot and I’m going to do some turnips in it.
My wolf tomato bit the dust, so out it will come, when I
finish the other stuff. My green pepper has buds and a couple of little peppers. My chinese mixed “showoff” peppers have a couple of tiny purple peppers, and a bunch of buds. I’ll plant them again, they’re so cute.
I wonder if we can mix neem oil in the ground around the squash plants? Anyone ever done that?


279 posted on 09/23/2013 10:43:59 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: JRandomFreeper

Just got out my envelopes of onion seed. All these are heirloom:

Yellow Sweet Spanish Utah - 110-130 days. Are these the Utah’s you mentioned?

Evergreen Bunching Onions - 60-120 days.

Borettana Cipollini Onions - 110-120 days.

Are you saying you’re planning onions now and they will be ready in the spring? Or will they be ready sometime in the winter? I’m confused.


280 posted on 09/23/2013 11:19:38 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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