Native Americans and Northern Europeans Paleolithic Cousins

Frontiers of Anthropology ^ | 12-16-2012 | Dale Drinnon

[Renfield]

The strong linkage between these populations has always been empirically apparent. This finally settles what has been obvious and clearly establishes the time line. Thus later incursions merely topped up an already European palette.

What has been more troubling has been the avoidance of this topic from the academics. Now DNA research is systematically reducing sophism for what it truly is. Ignoring and even denying obvious evidence should be made into a capital crime in academe.

It all starts with denigrating the technical abilities of our ancients by denying them the natural wits we are all born with. We have today plenty of folks doing more with less just to show it is possible. How many row boats have to make a summer trip across the Atlantic?

Native Americans and Northern Europeans more closely related than previously thought

http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.ca/2012/11/native-americans-and-northern-europeans.html

Using genetic analyses, scientists have discovered that Northern European populations—including British, Scandinavians, French, and some Eastern Europeans—descend from a mixture of two very different ancestral populations, and one of these populations is related to Native Americans. This discovery helps fill gaps in scientific understanding of both Native American and Northern European ancestry, while providing an explanation for some genetic similarities among what would otherwise seem to be very divergent groups. This research was published in the November 2012 issue of the Genetics Society of America's journal Genetics.

According to Nick Patterson, "There is a genetic link between the paleolithic population of Europe and modern Native Americans. The evidence is that the population that crossed the Bering Strait from Siberia into the Americas more than 15,000 years ago was likely related to the ancient population of Europe."

[Just a second. The population that crossed the Atlantic more than 15,000 years ago had the island of Lyonese to step on from the edge of Ireland to the edge of the Grand Banks as well as ample ice to rest on. - arclein ][=Atlantis by DD, OK by DD]

According to Nick Patterson, first author of the report, "There is a genetic link between the paleolithic population of Europe and modern Native Americans. The evidence is that the population that crossed the Bering Strait from Siberia into the Americas more than 15,000 years ago was likely related to the ancient population of Europe."

To make this discovery, Patterson worked with Harvard Medical School Professor of Genetics David Reich and other colleagues to study DNA diversity, and found that one of these ancestral populations was the first farming population of Europe, whose DNA lives on today in relatively unmixed form in Sardinians and the people of the Basque Country, and in at least the Druze population in the Middle East. The other ancestral population is likely to have been the initial hunter-gathering population of Europe. These two populations were very different when they met. Today the hunter-gathering ancestral population of Europe appears to have its closest affinity to people in far Northeastern Siberia and Native Americans.

The statistical tools for analyzing population mixture were developed by Patterson and presented in a systematic way in the report. These tools are the same ones used in previous discoveries showing that Indian populations are admixed between two highly diverged ancestral populations and showing that Neanderthals contributed one to four percent of the ancestry of present-day Europeans. In addition, the paper releases a major new dataset that characterizes genetic diversity in 934 samples from 53 diverse worldwide populations.

"The human genome holds numerous secrets. Not only does it unlock important clues to cure human disease, it also reveal clues to our prehistoric past," said Mark Johnston, Editor-in-Chief of the journal GENETICS. "This relationship between humans separated by the Atlantic Ocean reveals surprising features of the migration patterns of our ancestors, and reinforces the truth that all humans are closely related."

Source: Genetics Society of America via EurekAlert! [November 30, 2012]

[Renfield]

Ping

[DuncanWaring]

Ping.

[count-your-change]

” reinforces the truth that all humans are closely related.”

Some of us knew that already.

[vortec94]

And the Native Americans of the West Coast look Oriental. We know about that landbridge in Alaska. Consider for a moment that Native American oral history recounts the meteor strike in New Mexico. (some 50,000 years ago) Consider that Native Americans believe they were created here. Why couldn't those two migrations have started here and gone to Asia and Europe. Oh, silly me. Need some coffee.

[Viiksitimali]

Admixture: An Amerindian Component in Eurasian Populations

[alloysteel]

If anyone has ever studied the Ojibway people, and compared them with their neighbors, the Dakota people, they are clearly of two different racial stocks. Almost certainly, the precursors of these people came from the east, rather than the northwest, as they migrated to the North American continent.

[squarebarb]

the Ojibway people are part of a much larger group called Algonkians, related to the Cree, the Micmac, Shawnee and others around the northeaster quadarant of North America. They have the highest percentage of haplogroup X, which was also extant in Siberia during the Ice Age. A small percentage of Europeans also carry the X haplogroup. Look it up.

Algonkians seem to have been the initial immigration over the Bering Strait.

But remember the Bering Strait land-bridge was actually a sort of country unto itself, not just a ‘bridge’. People probably lived on it for many generations.

Physically there is not a lot of difference between the Algonkian-speaking people, including the Ojibway, and the Dakota. But the languages are totally different.

But there is an interesting correspondence between some ancient Slavic folk tales and native american myths, which exist nowhere else; that of the ‘earth diver’, for instance.

[count-your-change]

Not so difficult to imagine N. America being filled from both east and west.

[Verginius Rufus]

I have Northern European ancestry. Where do I sign up for my casino?

[Renfield]

I have Northern European ancestry. Where do I sign up for my casino?

Hmmmm...good point. We should consult an aggressive lawyer about a class action suit.

[x]

Not so surprising, is it? Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, and the language of the Lapps are related to languages spoken in the Urals.

Assuming that the relationship or connection isn't just linguistic and that Finns, Estonians, Lapps, and Hungarians intermarried with other Northern European peoples, and that those Uralic peoples intermarried with Siberian tribes that eventually made their way to North America, why would anybody think there weren't genetic connections?

Also, a lot of Europeans are descended (in small part) from Tatars and Mongols, who might themselves in turn have been very distantly related to Asian wanderers who became American Indians. Tatars and Mongols belong to the Altaic language groups, and there's speculation that some American Indian groups also trace their ancestry back to the Altai.

Of course, all this is more complicated than I could possibly understand. Relationships between languages don't always mean close genetic relationships. But they do suggest possible connections.

[blam]

Got it.

Thanks

Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean?)

[SunkenCiv]

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[Renfield]

Dale Drinnon and others have made very good arguments that the X haplotype crossed into North America via the northern Atlantic, not across the Bering Strait; and I posted some things to FR some months back about this.

In a nutshell: the current inhabitants of Scandinavia are principally Germanic, but from the Paleolithic era until relatively late in the Neolithic, there were other inhabitants, apparently of Uralic origin. They were maritime hunters, pursuing seals, whales, and such, and made it all the way to Labrador, Baffin Island and Ellesmere Island in their sea-going canoes. They left genetic (and linguistic) traces in a wide arc stretching from Finland to Scotland (and they may have been the ancestors of the Picts!) to eastern Canada. In one of Drinnon’s blogs, he produced a long list of words that were the same (or very nearly so) in both Finnish and Ojibway!

[SunkenCiv]

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