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Neanderthals were ancient mariners
New Scientist ^ | 2-29-2012 | Michael Marshall

Posted on 03/02/2012 7:31:23 AM PST by Renfield

IT LOOKS like Neanderthals may have beaten modern humans to the seas. Growing evidence suggests our extinct cousins criss-crossed the Mediterranean in boats from 100,000 years ago - though not everyone is convinced they weren't just good swimmers.

Neanderthals lived around the Mediterranean from 300,000 years ago. Their distinctive "Mousterian" stone tools are found on the Greek mainland and, intriguingly, have also been found on the Greek islands of Lefkada, Kefalonia and Zakynthos. That could be explained in two ways: either the islands weren't islands at the time, or our distant cousins crossed the water somehow....

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TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; dmanisi; godsgravesglyphs; greece; greeks; homoerectus; lefkada; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; origin; origins; paleoanthropology; varmintspam
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To: varmintman
Neanderthal DNA is much more similar to modern humans than to a chimpanzee. Indeed, all non-African humans have 1-4% Neanderthal ancestry.

Humans are, zoologically speaking, apes. The two apes closest in DNA are humans and chimpanzees. The ‘odd man out’ of the ape group is actually the orangutan - not us. Orangutans are more genetically distinct from the other apes than we are.

21 posted on 03/02/2012 9:05:42 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: count-your-change
View from the front:


Image courtesy of www.themandus.org

If nothing else this guy ought to have a total lock on horror movies for the next ten years. Anybody with brains and talent ought to be able to make a fairly good living out of that one.

22 posted on 03/02/2012 9:06:50 AM PST by varmintman
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To: allmendream

I thought we were closer to Bonobo’s than chimps.


23 posted on 03/02/2012 9:08:41 AM PST by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: FrogMom
Bonobos are chimps and the data shows we share a common ancestor with both groups at the same time. A person is equally related to both of their cousins - even if their cousins are not identical twins - and even if one cousin looks or acts more similar.

Bonobo chimps and Pan chimps live on the opposite side of a river. It is exactly what one would expect if there were once only one population of chimps, and then the river changed course and ran through the middle of their population. Chimps don't swim or otherwise cross rivers - so just as languages diverge between two groups kept apart - genetic differences accumulated and the two populations diverged in DNA and habits (most notably with bonobo chimps being sex maniacs!).

24 posted on 03/02/2012 9:14:21 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: FrogMom
Bonobos are chimps and the data shows we share a common ancestor with both groups at the same time. A person is equally related to both of their cousins - even if their cousins are not identical twins - and even if one cousin looks or acts more similar.

Bonobo chimps and Pan chimps live on the opposite side of a river. It is exactly what one would expect if there were once only one population of chimps, and then the river changed course and ran through the middle of their population. Chimps don't swim or otherwise cross rivers - so just as languages diverge between two groups kept apart - genetic differences accumulated and the two populations diverged in DNA and habits (most notably with bonobo chimps being sex maniacs!).

25 posted on 03/02/2012 9:14:21 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: FrogMom

Vendramini’s claim is totally simple and logical. Neanderthals kept their basic primate appearance (what you’d expect from their DNA being halfway between ours and that of chimpanzees); became total carnivores in the European ice age; developed the long dense fur coats which all ice age animals had and without which nothing would have lasted forty seconds in the European ice age; developed big eyes for nocturnal predation activity, explaining the eye sockets being twice the size of ours; lost the big canines of apes after they developed knives and cutting tools.


26 posted on 03/02/2012 9:21:57 AM PST by varmintman
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To: DManA

My oldest became an EVMS manager, younger kid is majoring in maths.

Dummies.

Not.


27 posted on 03/02/2012 9:22:38 AM PST by patton (bad math joke omitted - this space for rent)
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To: patton

One of my kids has kind of red hair too. Smart as a whip. Two distinct eyebrows too.


28 posted on 03/02/2012 9:30:56 AM PST by DManA
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To: Renfield

Neanderthals swimming across the Mediterranean......no way.....all that hair would clog up the Strait of Gibraltar and there’s not enough drain cleaner in the world to clear out that kind of mess.


29 posted on 03/02/2012 9:33:36 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Renfield

They were marooned on those islands when the Costa Isinka ran aground there.


30 posted on 03/02/2012 9:34:27 AM PST by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-XXX= Now what? Cain?XX Guess not. I GIVE UP)
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To: varmintman
what you’d expect from their DNA being halfway between ours and that of chimpanzees

If, as is claimed, Neanderthals and humans could mate and produce fertile children than we are the same animal. All differences are superficial.

31 posted on 03/02/2012 9:36:23 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Lions and Tigers can produce fertile offspring. Are they the same animal with all differences being superficial, or are they genetically and morphologically and behaviorally distinct species?


32 posted on 03/02/2012 9:39:02 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: DManA

Take a look at those images above and let me know if you’d want to mate with anything which looked like that....


33 posted on 03/02/2012 10:00:32 AM PST by varmintman
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To: varmintman

What makes you think you’d get a choice?


34 posted on 03/02/2012 11:03:04 AM PST by null and void (Day 1136 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: varmintman
Funny, but he doesn't look like he could build a boat. But he probably did ... in order to to show off his girlfriend.


35 posted on 03/02/2012 11:05:04 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Jewbacca
They were very fastidious...
36 posted on 03/02/2012 11:06:52 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Renfield
"...the islands weren't islands at the time..."

That's been a contention of mine for some time. The Med was severly dessicated during the Ice Age and was refilled between 12-7k years ago. Once the Med was refilled, the Black Sea refilled.

Refugees from 'all over the world' were talking about rising water everywhere.

Noah decides to build an ark.

37 posted on 03/02/2012 11:07:47 AM PST by blam
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To: varmintman

38 posted on 03/02/2012 11:12:53 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Eyes aren’t big enough...


39 posted on 03/02/2012 11:13:17 AM PST by varmintman
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To: BenLurkin

40 posted on 03/02/2012 11:27:24 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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