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Solving the Mystery of a 35,000-Year-Old Statue
Spiegel (Germany) ^ | 12/09/2011 | Matthias Schulz

Posted on 12/12/2011 4:22:24 AM PST by Renfield

Using a hand hoe and working in dim light, geologist Otto Völzing burrowed into the earth deep inside the Stadel cave in the Schwäbische Alb mountains of southwestern Germany. His finds were interesting to be sure, but nothing world-shaking: flints and the remnants of food eaten by prehistoric human beings.

Suddenly he struck a hard object -- and splintered a small statuette.

It was 1939 and Völzing didn't have much time. He had just been called up to serve in the military and World War II was about to begin. He quickly packed the pieces into a box and the excavation, which was being financed by the SS, was terminated on the same day.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: archaeology; germany; godsgravesglyphs; paleolithic
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1 posted on 12/12/2011 4:22:26 AM PST by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Paleoping...


2 posted on 12/12/2011 4:23:10 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

One thing that gets to me is that everything has to be all or nothing. Why couldn’t both male and female shaman exist?


3 posted on 12/12/2011 4:52:15 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: R. Scott
There are both male and female shamans in some cultures. An absolutely fabulous book that explores this subject is Entering the Circle, by Olga Kharitidi. I highly recommend it....one of the best books I have read.
4 posted on 12/12/2011 5:04:51 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

“Copies of the famous ice age treasure are now on display in New York and Tokyo. The original, however, is heavily damaged — and no one knows exactly what it looks like. Many fragments were overlooked in the cave when the prewar dig was so abruptly terminated. The figure achieved its current form in 1988. It consists of 220 parts, but about 30 percent of the body is still missing. Large segments of the surface have broken off.

The poor condition of the figurine has only made it more mysterious.”

Talk about “projection” of the personal opinions of the researchers!!! And out of this they debate their personal values and opinions!


5 posted on 12/12/2011 5:07:03 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Renfield

All individuals, male or female have both aspects of masculine and feminine consciousness. To be a true shaman, you must have combined both in order to reach the level where the spiritual abilities are realized. That is why “Love” is so important as it is the glue that holds the soul together facilitating higher development.


6 posted on 12/12/2011 5:11:05 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Renfield

Well *obviously* what we have here is the first Steiff teddy bear. Of course the tag is lost to history thanks to the Nazis. Some paleomommy carved it for their little cavekid, I mean duh!


7 posted on 12/12/2011 5:12:16 AM PST by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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To: Renfield

“They contend that women of the period, instead of standing obediently by the cooking fire and watching over the children, hunted mammoths and set the tone when it came to rituals and the priesthood.”

Nonsense!

The game were not dumbed down to succumb to the lesser upper body strength of women.

Go ahead, tell us how, “back then, out of necessity, women were just as strong as men....”


8 posted on 12/12/2011 5:13:39 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Renfield

https://www.thebereancall.org/node/2682

Occult “Eagle Spirituality” Manifests in Popular “Prophetic” Ministries

TBC Extra, March 2007

As demonstrated by native American culture and indigenous people groups worldwide, animal worship has long been a means of contacting and interacting with deceiving spirits. Equally pleased to appear in human or animal form, they often take willing participants on exciting out-of-body experiences or communicate “secret knowledge.”

Modern shamans (who are as apt to wear suits as loin cloths) market seminars where everyday people can “encounter” their personal “power animal.” In public schools, children are encouraged to use their “imagination” and “dreams” for astral travel. Occult relaxation and visualization techniques are reinforced by literature such as the Harry Potter books and Scholastic’s “Animorphs” series, in which hero-children transform into creatures with special powers and abilities.

Fictionalized in popular games and movies, these techniques are based on ancient occult practices that, once widely banned, now flourish virtually unchecked. According to answers.com, “a familiar spirit...obeys a witch, conjurer, or other users of the supernatural, and serves and helps that person....If they look like ordinary animals, they can be used to spy....These spirits [also]...inspire artists and writers.”

Many new age writers and occult practitioners have been assisted or encouraged by animals they perceive as “familiars.” As Patrick Ryan, author of The Eagle’s Call: A Journey of Body, Mind, and Spirit recounts,

When I was writing this book...an eagle often circled the building in which I lived, visiting many times....When I was...doubting my direction, a coyote also came to visit....Across the street, it looked toward me as if encouraging me on....So, led by the spirit of coyote, eagle and the many other guides of the universe, I was able to complete this tale. Its primary message is about following the call of my body, mind and spirit.

Romans 1:18-32 gives a clear account of man’s “call of his body and mind”-a rejection of God in favor of nature worship: “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things” (Rom 1:22-23).

Perhaps in part due to the reverence of “animal spirits” by ancient pagan cultures, animals continue to play a significant symbolic role in our world today. School and professional sports teams adopt animal names such as the panthers, tigers, lions, bears, wolves, or eagles-based on popular significance of animal traits. Consumers even purchase “animal” car models and athletic shoes marketed for their perceived attributes of speed and power.

So, what’s the fuss? Is animal symbology inherently evil? No, even Scripture makes generous use of animals as symbols-from love poems in The Song of Songs to comforting analogies of the Lord: “hide me under the shadow of thy wings” (Ps 17:8b) et al.

Take the eagle, for example. Revered as a national symbol by various countries, Scripture makes several positive references to the eagle. One of the most popular verses cited for encouragement is “they shall mount up with wings like eagles...” (Is 40:31). Many are comforted by the eagle as a symbol of patriotism and American heritage (which is often equated with Christianity). Fewer though, take note of passages that portray the eagle in a negative light, or realize that the eagle doubles as a Masonic symbol of the phoenix, representing “rebirth through fire” in occult mythology.

In addition to its being an “unclean” animal, Scripture also contains a number of negative references to the eagle (”They are passed away as the swift ships: as the eagle that hasteth to the prey” (Job 9:26). Obadiah even contains a reference to Edom as an eagle, apparently as a type of Lucifer: “The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord” (Ob 1:3-4).

So why do the neo-prophets and apostles of today use the eagle as a symbol of choice? Many “prophetic” ministries associate eagles with tremendous natural vision and observable qualities of “rising above;” but like shamans and seers-ancient and modern-they err in assigning to eagles spiritual qualities. An occult website declares the eagle’s role is that of an “illuminating force” that rises on the east wind, whose gift is that of “seeing hidden spiritual truths” and “whose strength is by its connection to spirit guides.” The website advises: “One who flies with the Eagle has a responsibility...to operate from Higher Intent, to develop the latent abilities of Illumination, and then freely share this Illumination with Others.” In other words, a seer who channels the eagle is to “impart” this knowledge and “gifting” to others.

A number of prominent ministries use the eagle as a corporate symbol, and most of these do so quite innocently. But research into the testimony of a young prophetess associated with C. Peter Wagner’s self-titled New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) raises great concern. (The NAR, a blended resurrection of several modern heresies-kingom-dominionism, manifest sons of God, new breed, et al.-is spreading like wildfire through a growing number of charismatic and evangelical churches.) Here is just one example of cause for alarm:

Sharnael Wolverton...was called to the ministry at an early age....During [an]
incredible period of seeking intimacy with [God] she encountered many dreams,
visions, visitations and divine appointments leading to the birthing of Swiftfire Ministries....One divine appointment...was with Bob Jones, who introduced her to a golden eagle named “Swift.” “Swift is sent forth to those in order to carry the purposes of God swiftly.” Another encounter was with Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic, who had also been introduced to Swift.

This admission by a professing Christian “minister” is nothing short of astounding! Aside from this startling testimony, most followers of these seers (and even skeptics) would not think twice about the recurring “eagle” motif on the websites of Sharnael Wolverton (swiftfire.org), Bob Jones (bobjones.org/itinerary), and Patricia King (extremeprophetic.com). But with the knowledge that Bob Jones (a proven false prophet who was removed from ministry in 1991 for sexual misconduct) “introduced” at least two prominent neo-apostolic women to a demonic entity that manifests as an eagle (whom all three know as Swift) the “birds of a feather” mascots they share take on far greater significance.

Other “apostolic-prophetic” leaders who often teach with or promote Bob Jones also use the symbol of an eagle in their ministry logo: Paul Keith Davis, Rick Joyner, Bobby Conner, Cindy Jacobs, and others. Does this mean they also have the spirit of Swift to help them “carry out the purposes of God?” Not necessarily-but the connection between “eagle spirits,” shamans, and today’s neo-prophetic seers is unmistakable. This is the New Spirituality.

Though his mystical teaching remains unchanged, none of Jones’ co-ministers or spiritual offspring seem to mind that his misconduct involved giving private “hands-on” readings to young women-disrobed to “stand naked before the Lord”-or that he was rebuked for other occultish practices. Ironically, he is revered as a spiritual grandfather among today’s rising stars of the Third Wave (neo-apostolic) movement, promoted largely by the much-hyped pseudo-prophetic website, “The Elijah List.”

But, Jones is in good company. Many of his disciples, as well as the “apostles” and “prophets” who endorse or teach with him, claim to have met and talked with angels, with the Lord, and with saints of the past (the forbidden practice of necromancy); and, they all take great pride in teaching others how to have angelic encounters and “third heaven visions.”

Undoubtedly believing they are working divine signs and wonders, could they instead be “deceived and deceiving others” (2 Tim 3:13)? As God’s word declares, “There shall not be found among you any one...that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord” (Deut 18:10-11).

-Mark Dinsmore


9 posted on 12/12/2011 5:15:00 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Renfield

Looks like Big Foot. This should be good for a couple Nat Geo specials. Then again it could be something from a drug induced trance. Couple of study grants there. Or..or it could be a carving of a transitional form of humanoid species. Several monographs should fly from the keys of grad students soon to the pages of Scientific American.

Then again it might just be a cow ready to be milked.


10 posted on 12/12/2011 5:25:21 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: R. Scott
One thing that gets to me is that everything has to be all or nothing. Why couldn’t both male and female shaman exist?
Exactly. In Mongolia, for example, many shamans are women but not all. And of course, Mongolia is anything but a feminist’s dream society…
11 posted on 12/12/2011 5:26:32 AM PST by cartan
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To: tired&retired
Talk about “projection” of the personal opinions of the researchers!!! And out of this they debate their personal values and opinions!

So very true. It's amazing how these "professionals" project their current beliefs on an artifact such as this. What is more interesting to me is that humans 35,000 years ago (and even further back in time with cave paintings) had the talent, intellect, and time to make artwork depicting the real world. Perhaps these ancients carved or painted as a hobby.

"Ogg! Are you carving that stupid statue again?! We're low on bison meat. Get out there and hunt!"

12 posted on 12/12/2011 5:37:54 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Renfield

BTTT for later


13 posted on 12/12/2011 6:11:39 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: count-your-change
Then again it might just be a cow ready to be milked.


14 posted on 12/12/2011 6:24:32 AM PST by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield. I missed your ping. [blush] To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


15 posted on 12/14/2011 6:50:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: fishtank

So much for mounting up with wings as eagles.

This will stress the sheep, and draw the lion’s gaze.


16 posted on 12/14/2011 7:10:22 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Pride in the USA

BenLinus, eyes

17 posted on 12/14/2011 8:58:20 AM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: JRios1968

Udders on a father?


18 posted on 12/14/2011 9:06:56 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Osage Orange
Udders on a father?


19 posted on 12/14/2011 9:14:40 AM PST by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: JRios1968

That ain’t no father!! : )


20 posted on 12/14/2011 9:54:57 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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