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DNA study deals blow to theory of European origins
BBC ^ | August 23, 2011 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 08/24/2011 11:07:22 AM PDT by decimon

A new study deals a blow to the idea that most European men are descended from farmers who migrated from the Near East 5,000-10,000 years ago.

The findings challenge previous research showing that the genetic signature of the farmers displaced that of Europe's indigenous hunters.

The latest research leans towards the idea that most of Europe's males trace a line of descent to stone-age hunters.

But the authors say more work is needed to answer this question.

The study, by an international team, is published in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B.

Archaeological finds show that modern humans first settled in Europe from about 40,000 years ago - during a time known as the Palaeolithic.

These people survived an Ice Age some 20,000 years ago by retreating to relatively warm refuges in the south of the continent, before expanding into northern Europe again when the ice melted.

But just a few thousand years after Europe had been resettled by these hunter-gatherers, the continent underwent momentous cultural change. Farmers spread westwards from the area that is now Turkey, bringing with them a new economy and way of life.

The extent to which modern Europeans are descended from these early farmers versus the indigenous hunter-gatherers who settled the continent thousands of years previously is a matter of heated debate.

The results vary depending on the genetic markers studied and are subject to differing interpretations.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; iamnotsurprised; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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1 posted on 08/24/2011 11:07:24 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Ja jager ping.

Maybe.


2 posted on 08/24/2011 11:08:33 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
The results vary....subject to interpretation....

Send more Grant Money!!

3 posted on 08/24/2011 11:15:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: decimon

This is rediculous on all levels, the science if faulty, and knowing the information, as if we could, helps us exactly how?


4 posted on 08/24/2011 11:18:53 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
This is rediculous...

More pinkiculous. A good many FReepers have shown interest in their lineage. I'm not one of those FReepers but that's neither here not there.

One possible practical use for this research is in discovering disease origination so to better find cure.

5 posted on 08/24/2011 11:29:36 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Later.


6 posted on 08/24/2011 11:37:18 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: decimon

Shem, Ham, or Japheth? Has to be one of these three options.


7 posted on 08/24/2011 11:41:56 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Shem, Ham, or Japheth? Has to be one of these three options.

All of whom landed on Mt. Ararat at the conclusion of the great flood. As tradition has it, Shem and family moved to the north and west; Japheth and family to the east; Ham and family to the south.

Since Mt. Ararat is in the Caucasian Mountains, wouldn't that make us all Caucasians?

8 posted on 08/24/2011 11:50:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: decimon
I am proud to be a decedent of Neanderthals! All the great civilizations can trace their genes back to the Neanderthals...
9 posted on 08/24/2011 11:52:25 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Vigilanteman
Since Mt. Ararat is in the Caucasian Mountains, wouldn't that make us all Caucasians?

Funny Man.

10 posted on 08/24/2011 12:15:06 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402

Lot ~ remember those stories are very old.


11 posted on 08/24/2011 12:43:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cowboy Bob
All the great civilizations can trace their genes back to the Neanderthals.
Not sure if you forgot the "/s" ... but according to a documentary I saw this week, no Neanderthal DNA can be found in any human alive today.
Just sayin' ...
12 posted on 08/24/2011 12:59:54 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
. . . according to a documentary I saw this week, no Neanderthal DNA can be found in any human alive today.

And there you have a real scientific dilemma. For either the science of DNA is wrong. Or the theory of human organic evolution is wrong. Or both.

The Neanderthal is the only very tenuous missing link between man and lower level primates. Cromagnon man and others don't even come close to the tenuous level of the Neanderthal.

13 posted on 08/24/2011 1:36:53 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: muawiyah
Lot ~ remember those stories are very old.

Our church believes they are true because the Bible is true. If so, Genetics will point to a common ancestor- Noah and his three sons and their wives.

14 posted on 08/24/2011 2:22:47 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: muawiyah
Lot ~ remember those stories are very old.

Our church believes they are true because the Bible is true. If so, Genetics will point to a common ancestor- Noah and his three sons and their wives.

15 posted on 08/24/2011 2:22:47 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Noah has so terribly many aliases.

Ma-Nu, Nu, Ma........

It's not like God didn't leave behind numerous records of this event. There are differences in the records.

16 posted on 08/24/2011 3:21:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: oh8eleven
Neanderthal DNA/ancestry is found in all non-African populations. So almost all humans alive today - but not all of them.
17 posted on 08/24/2011 3:27:15 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

18 posted on 08/25/2011 2:55:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: decimon; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks decimon. Once again, I'm not surprise

sidebar: To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


19 posted on 08/25/2011 2:57:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Scythian
Ridiculous.
20 posted on 08/25/2011 3:26:51 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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