Posted on 04/27/2011 5:22:49 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
Ok, so there it is just waiting for a subpena, Obama's "long form" birth certificate. For the past two years his legal team has been in one courtroom after another insisting that no one had "standing" to demand a look. He himself, this morning on world-wide television just erased this argument from his legal repertoire. What possible excuse could he present in order to keep this document out of a courtroom discussion when he released a photocopy of it himself, to everyone?
Let the researchers come forth with their proof of fraud and may justice be served. It's time to consider what legal challenges to make and which avenue is best suited to pursue. The clock is ticking on this criminal fraud and the "Bagdad Bob" MSM who are doing their level best to cover for him. tick...tick....tick....
“Do I smell an odor here?”
Yes, the birther conspiracy theory is dead and rotting.
Time to take it out back and put in the compost pile.
Maybe you don't understand what a "bound book" is?
It would be great to have this particular doc entered into evidence then have a document expert rip into the forgery. But then, using the CBS journalist standards, it could be deemed “fake but accurate” thanks to Dan Rather.
Hawaii to its citizens “No copies of your BC to you, ever. Oh, it’s you Mr. President, in that case, okay.” Hawaii puts Barry above average citizens.
Do I smell an odor here?
‘Its your upper lip.’
Classy.
Bound book can be as simple as long pins through the pages. You have probably made a few “bound books” in your life. Thanks anyway for your dumb comment
Thanks for pointing that out, something about it doesn’t look right. The image at the top left corner looks like it’s still bound, but it’s been superimposed on the patterned background. The patterned background remains consistent under the scan, and around it where there isn’t a scan.
Do you know what I mean? Weird
I suspect that the timing of this supposedly "authentic" birth certificate is really meant to persuade various state legislatures from passing any laws for citizenship documentation in order to be on the ballots (like Oklahoma is ready to pass).
They took the book and opened it flat on the printer.
They hit “print”.
The PAPER they printed it onto is the patterned security paper.
Make sense now? (It took me a bit to figure that out)
:-)
Do you understand the concept of layers? Original documents do not have them. Do you understand that a non American citizen father cannot have a NBC child? No?
Here you are again on another thread spouting more nonsense and trying to confuse the issue.
Why am I not surprised? Please, entertain us more with your ‘rock solid conservative’ ideals and logic.
I see he wasn’t born on a plantation, so I guess reparations are out.
“but it’s been superimposed on the patterned background”
It’s not ‘superimposed’, the original birth certificate information, in black, was printed on the green thatch paper. That’s security paper.
“The patterned background remains consistent under the scan,” Which you would expect of a print that was made Monday.
“and around it where there isn’t a scan.” Which is what you’d expect in a real document printed on such paper.
What’s anomalous is all these elements used to make it less likely to be forged are used to cast ‘doubts’ on this legitimate document.
“legitimate document.”
According to you? Not good enough. I thought you said the COLB was the legit document. Since this differs, which is it?
I’ve been wondering when he changed his name Barry S. to BHO, something just doesn’t read right.
So where does the misspelled stamp come from?
I predicted last week that when Obama released the long form Birth Certificate, it would contain the very information that would confirm the COLB and show he was born in Honolulu.
I was right. that just happened.
You called me an Obot for telling the truth. Here you are again spouting more nonsense and trying to confuse the issue. The release of this copy of the original birth certificate lays this fully to rest, confirms the points in #1 to #10 and enables us to be more definitive that Obama was born in Honolulu.
It’s sad and pathetic that you are clinging to false conspiracy theories, but more pathetic that you feel a need to stalk me with your dumb comments. Discussing with you is pointless. Just because you cant handle the truth doesnt give you license to personally those you disagree with. Get a life.
So let’s go through the logical sequence of what the newspaper announcement DOES tell us and why it’s highly dispositive to Obama being born in Honolulu:
1) The Newspaper announcements prove that someone either phoned in a birth announcement or it was gotten from DOH records.
2) The practice and the format and the category of the birth announcements, and the fact that 2 newspapers had similar lists in exact same order, indicate that in fact these announcements were derived from DOH records.
3) This indicates that DOH indeed *had* records on Obama’s birth.
4) Confirming this, we know DOH has Obama’s records on file today.
This information is public:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
Birth Index
Obama II, Barack Hussein
Male
5) WE FURTHER KNOW A VERY IMPORTANT POINT - those records were submitted/filed/accepted between Aug 4th and Aug 13th, the newspaper publication date, so the Obama birth records were created during that week.
6) I would submit to you that #5, #3 and #4 are the MOST IMPORTANT POINTS. You can try to fake something in your past, but you cant go back into your past to do it. Obama has had Hawaii birth records since August 13th (or before) 1961. Key!
6) So, then we consider the COLB - it has a filing date of Aug 8th, consistent with #5.
7) On the COLB the birth cert # for Obama is close to Nodyke twins coming from Kapiolani on same day. This tells us that at least its not some randomly wrong number. But it also is a strong indicator that Obama was born in Kapiolani as well, as his form was either in a similar or same batch or processed at similar time, which would happen with forms from same hospital.
8) The COLB information is not inconsistent with the newspaper announcement information (despite the false disputing of his parents’ marriage)
9) In order to get a DOH record, if you just walk it in, you will need the corroborating evidence, which the original birth certificate and information from the birthing doctor or midwife. Such forms would have to brought in to their office. Both #7 and the timeline is why a birth outside Honolulu is practically impossible. You’d have to fly the mother, the baby, and the original birth certificate to the DOH by August 13th at the latest, in order to get the DOH records. Why would a newborn son have to travel with their mother and risk sickness from a flight halfway across the pacific, just to get a DOH record in time for a pro forma tiny birth announcement? They wouldnt. They couldnt. They’d wait and do it later.
10) There might be a theoretical possibility of a midwife home delivery in Honolulu and then a walkup submission of birth certificate, but then that fact would have been the family recollection; rather the family story is that Barack Obama was born at Kapiolani. Again, any such submission would not have been done as quickly as with a hospital; there’s no rush. Moreover, he’d still be born in Honolulu. For any non-hospital delivery outside of hawaii, phew, #9 plus the problem of getting the right paperwork to get state records.
So, there it is: the timeline is why the newspaper announcements help confirm that Obama was born in Honolulu.
Obama had Hawaii records on file (in fact according to the COLB 4 days after birth) that would not have been created so soon after his birth if he was not born in a hospital in Hawaii.
Actually I would have thought the original document would exist on microfiche or microfilm and be printed from that medium since this would be such an old document... why print on the patterned paper? When I got a copy of my husband’s original BC (NY) it came as a negative copy on regular paper which they affixed a stamp and signed it to authenticate it.
It looks like neither the original nor this copy has an embossed seal. Aren’t they supposed to?
fraud sounds about right
Todays document was a COLB, not a Birth Certificate. They’re different you Hillbilly
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