Posted on 01/26/2011 6:08:38 PM PST by devere
It seems that for whatever reasons Free Republic has now become an "anti-birther" website, and dedicated itself to protecting those who shielded Obama by mocking and insulting the people who questioned his obviously fraudulent qualifications.
Since my thoughts are no longer in sympathy with those of the management of this website, I'll be finding a different Internet venue to post on in the future, where I am not censored in a manner I find unreasonable.
Thanks to all sharing your thoughts with me over the past several years. Whether you agreed or disagreed with me, it has always been stimulating and entertaining, and occasionally enlightening.
Amateur.
see post 198
Does that include the time you were under house arrest?
I just stop discussing birther issues, and I have been working on the subject for the last couple of years, I used to get inundated with private e-mails of people asking inane pointless stupid questions, like a herd of sheep asking why its so silent inside the butchering shed.
At the height of the anti-birther cold war they had some relatively intelligent chess players, and dedicated socialists are actually very good chess players.
And Free Republic was their chess board.
Well the game has changed. Its much more than a game of strategic stonewalling, smoky rooms and snipe hunts.
What we have now in an utterly wide out and in the open opinion of many surrounding obama knowing that he just does NOT belong in the Whitehouse.
They tried to make it pretty, they tried to polish it so it glowed, they worked for years putting it in the right place, but like the proverbial saying you cannot polish poop it has been busted, you can indeed polish poop.
But you cannot change its very factual reality, its still poop. All the hard work of their polishing attempts, all their hard work trying to eliminate the trail of its origins, all the work of telling everyone to ignore the smell has finally reached an epic point of explosive quality.
Like being in an elevator at the end of the day with it full of passengers taking full advantage of a burrito buffet earlier.
Birtherism stinks, it stinks trying to educate opinions that are mentally gridlocked, its a challenge trying to support goofy public advocates trying to take obama to court.
And its downright sad when individuals go to prison fighting for the truth, and doubly so when they are forgotten.
But what truly and absolutely horrifies me is the possibility that people like obama will keep on coming, that even now his replacement is being groomed, his or her past is being sanitized and their past of opposers and enemies are mysteriously dropping dead.
What should realy happen for the sake of restoring America is no less than a one million person march upon Washington DC all performing a citizen arrest of obama.
Where does your link mention Maya?
But in any case, to make your point, you need to (1) prove the document exists, and (2) show that it falsely states Maya Obama was born in Hawaii.
If you can do (1) and (2), then you get to trash the Hawaii regime and demand Abercrombie fix it or be impeached, and you score a huge point against Obama. However, despite having proven Hawaii is not an authoritative source, you'd still need to prove Obama wasn't born in Hawaii by showing he was actually born outside the US (to the satisfaction of 67 sitting senators).
Can I assume your Google works?
Do your own research. And quit the BS over a COLB being “proof”.
I would always defer to OWK...and bert.
NEWSFLASH! There are "anti-Birthers" on this site.
Some feel all this focus on where he may have been born and the concomitant Birth Certificate are a misdirection sponsored by Team Obama itself. Their objective: Take the collective eye off the "Natural Born Citizen" issue. In achieving that objective, Team Obama has succeeded.
It is of no help that many of those stuck on the "born in Hawaii issue" frankly manifest a very low level of legal literacy and confusion and are just venting anger and frustration. Some are so ridiculously out of line that IMHO, they could only be planted trolls. Having Obama's Birth Certificate is great idea! How do you do that?
It is entirely possible that Obama was born in Hawaii. It is unlikely, but nonetheless possible. He has not proven it. We have not disproven it. All we can say is that powerful forces are hard at work to prevent us from proving it ... which is not the same thing. Not even a valid Hawaiian Birth certificate would necessarily prove it, because they were issued to many foreign born children.
Regardless of the PLACE of birth, it is impossible in historical context that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen as required by Article II.
The two sides come together in that a Birth Certificate would officially establish that the official father was not an American citizen. But dual citizenship has already been revealed by Obama himself, in his "autobiography," and on that COLB thing displayed on line. So it matters not a whit if he were born in Hawaii or not. Has a Birth certificate, or not. Or whether he is a Native Born Citizen or not. COTUS says "Natural Born," not NATIVE born.
Team Obama originally solved the candidate's ineligibility dilemma by simply and boldly declaring that he was qualified. Whether they suspected otherwise is a moot point. That is all that has been required. This declaration was accepted by the National Democratic Party, by the Democratic Party in every state, by the 50 Election Committees and AGs of every state, placing Obama on the ballot in 50 states. He won the popular vote in most states, and was voted into office by the Electoral College, not one member of which disputed his declaration, and the Democratic Party's Declaration, that he was constitutionally qualified. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS.
The end of the story is that a constitutionally unqualified person, perhaps by fraud as in the case of Chester Arthur, is the sitting POTUS, and now can only be removed by Impeachment in the House and Conviction in the Senate, by voluntary resignation from office, or by a declaration of incompetence by the Congress. None of which is likely.
What would a reasonable man do?
(1): Concentrate on what we can do to curtail Obama's power over the time he remains in office. There will be no birth certificate forthcoming for Obama. There will be no legal means of having a court rule him unqualified in the time remaining in his term. Barring unforeseen circumstances, He will be the sitting President until 2012. We have to deal with it, if not accept it.
(2): Pass laws in every state demanding documentary proof that Presidential candidates meet the standard of Natural Born Citizen, i.e., be the offspring of two American Citizens at the time of birth. Even if no such laws are passed, State election Boards and AGs have the power to remove ineligible candidates from the ballot in their states right now! They are under no obligation to accept anyone's Declaration of Eligigbility. They have the power to demand proof, right now. They obviously did not see fit to exercise that power in 2008. Perhaps, even if no state laws are passed, they will do it in 2012. This issue is more than about Obama. Given the changing demographic, it is likely that the offspring of illegal aliens will be a candidate, inspired by the Obama "precedent."
I suggest you peddle these lies back over to the Daily KOS. IF Barry has a COLB, so what?
It is widely known that Hawaiian officials routinely issued COLB’s to foreign born children.
This is straight from the Hawaii Department Of Health Website. Barry’s sister Maya (born in Indonesia) has a COLB also.
Here’s what the Director of Communications for the state of Hawaii, Janice Okubo had to say about the issuance of birth documents to foreign born persons:“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
I suggest you peddle these lies back over to the Daily KOS. IF Barry has a COLB, so what?
It is widely known that Hawaiian officials routinely issued COLB’s to foreign born children.
This is straight from the Hawaii Department Of Health Website. Barry’s sister Maya (born in Indonesia) has a COLB also.
Here’s what the Director of Communications for the state of Hawaii, Janice Okubo had to say about the issuance of birth documents to foreign born persons:“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
Thanks! I think. :-)
Aw, come one, ya pansy.
You don’t know what being mocked and insulted is. I’ve been hazed, kicked, chewed up and spit out. I keep comin’ back for more.
Man up! Grow a pair.
There ain’t no censorship on birther threads. By order of JR, pretty much anything goes.
Thanks R2nd. Must say I had forgotten most of this. Just thought that someone who has tingles up his appendages at the very sight and sound of “O” would, by default, be an anti-birther. Thanks for the links.
Maybe ‘deep throat’ never existed, nor the ‘deep throat’ quote. Since your assessment is positive of the CoLB being correct and the final word, why do you believe there are questions continuing to be raised?
I never said that the COLB is the final word. What I said is that with over 100 different judges and justices having read legal briefs on this issue, none has been persuaded to let a trial or an appeal of a lower court decision go forward.
It is my personal opinion that judges and justices can’t find a motive for a Republican governor who campaigned for Senator McCain and who delivered one of Sarah Palin’s endorsement speeches to be lying in order to support a left wing Democrat.
It is also my supposition that the Dunhams, Obama’s grandparents may have had a birth certificate created for him back in 1961 and that document may have been in the files at the Department of Health for the last 50 years.
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