Posted on 11/12/2010 4:53:42 PM PST by Retired Intelligence Officer
I need some help on this. I was reading where Bobby Jindal was born to immigrants here on visas. If he was born in Baton Rouge before they became naturalized citizens, wouldn't that make him ineligible to become President? I am in a heated argument at another website over this and I need answers to this controversy. Any help would be appreciated.
R.I.O.
only if he switches parties
The 14th Amendment has ZERO to do with it, fwiw. It did not re-invent the meaning of natural born in the Article II requirements. I strongly doubt that if a freed black slave’s child ran for President that they would be considered natural born. May sound harsh, but the children of slaves would bear too great an animus to the nation which enslaved their parents. Grandchild would be fine. In any case, it’s a speculative what-if, for the case did not present itself in the era of such children.
“Is Bobby Jindal Eligible To Become President If He Was Born Before Parents Were Naturalized?”
Yes.
The Constitutional provision covering this was explicitly written to cover people who may not have been born in the US That is not why this amendment was written.
The original citizens were grandfathered in.
If he was born of non-citizens even if so in the USA and though his parents were later naturalized he is not eligible for POTUSA. This is personal with me as my brother and I who both served in WWII (brother killed on Okinawa) were born in USA of Russian immigrants not naturalized before our births. I gave up the thought of being POTUSA as a youth but still felt very proud to serve the Nation. In my case a unique circumstance exists because my father died before I was born.
“There are many citizens who are not eligible to be President because they were not born on US soil.”
But not ones who were born citizens.
No, he is not. The is no doubt. Here is one of fifty or so citations, this from Chief Justice Morrison Waite. The statement is in Waite's decision for a case called Minor v. Happerstett. It was cited in many other cases, including the famous Wong Kim Ark, where Wong Kim, San Francisco born, was deemed a “citizen,” but not a “natural born citizen”, and natural born citizenship is what is required to be president. Wong Kim's parents were unable to naturalize because China prohibited the repudiation of citizenship at the time.:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
Is Obama legally President? No, because he was born a British subject. How do we know? He told us, many times. Did Obama ever tell us he was a natural born citizen? No. Why did our Congress keep quiet? Because McCain was also ineligible. And probably too, for the the reason that many Republicans knew that Congress was filled with Lindsey Grahams, Collins and Snow, Specter, an anyone sticking his neck out would be a pariah in his or her own party for giving the election to Hillary. They all, every Senator signed a document in Apr 2008, Senate Res. 511, sponsored by Pat Leahy and Clari McCaskill, in which Pat confirms that a natural born citizen is born of citizen parents. Now we must unravel mess.
There are citizens, native citizens, and NATURAL BORN CITIZENS.
“If he was born before then, wouldn’t that make him not be a natural born citizen to become president as Article 2 Section 1 states?”
No.
The short answer is yes. The longer answer is yes, because his parents were in the US legally and seeking citizenship.
Nope, 'fraid not. He did NOT "stand strong on the Gulf Shore". His actions were weaker than his words. All he did was bitch, bitch, bitch about how the feds wouldn't let him build the sand berms. A "real" leader would have built the berms and told the feds to go have sex with themselves. There was plenty of heavy construction equipment in the La National Guard. He should have called them up, and recruited anybody with a bulldozer who wanted to show up. Borrow the money if necessary.
IMO, Jindal blew the "Gulf Oil Spill" thing very badly. I once thought he might be presidential material, but after his performance in that situation....no longer.
This is where you are confusing "citizen" for "Natural born citizen" There is a big difference
“Folks, being a US citizen is not enough to be eligible for president.”
No, but being born a citizen is.
Because people love their own cherished delusions. Didn’t long hours in intelligence teach you that? Still, I feel the same way. Wish I had a magical mallet that would knock sense into noggins of those—more than a few on this thread—who refuse to see the obvious. No such thing as magical mallets, being as this is meant to be a world of confusions for truth seeker to struggle to resolve, like a salmon run river is full of steep grades, fast-rushing currents and falls that a salmon must surpass in order to spawn.
He should have any trouble as long as he changes his name to something like this: Jesus-Ernesto Juan-Carlos-Luis-Fernando-Obama
Based on the original historical meaning of “natural born citizen”, someone born to a foreign citizen on US soil probably does not qualify to serve as POTUS.
The fact that Jindal’s parents were resident aliens who intended on becoming US citizens would probably allow Congress to remove the disability by statute or resolution.
In fact since they have accepted Obama, whose father was a British citizen who had no intention to become a US citizen, you might argue they have already done so.
He was born here in the US. He is a US Citizen. I would love to deny citizenship to children born here by illegals but I can’t change the rules.
Not if he’s a Republican.
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