Posted on 10/09/2009 1:58:59 PM PDT by Brown Deer
OBAMA Birth Certificate Trial UPdate of Oct 5
Santa Ana, CA. - October 5th, 2009, Both plaintiff's Attorneys', Gary Kreep, and Orly Taitz express some concern that 9th Dist. Federal Judge David Carter, has today done a `180 degree reversal from his position of Sept. 8th, 2009, that this case Questioning - Obama's Right by Birth, to be president would go forward for a federal Jury to determine On the "Merits", and is now trying to stall by demanding "standing to sue" issue, Jurisdiction and the ultimate battle axe, "its a Political Question". The three blind mice, ABC, CBS, NBC networks, plus the Governments unOfficial Propaganda Networks, CNN and FOX were noticeably absent without Leave, leaving William Wagener, the only TV Media, [ www.OnSecondThought.TV ] to cover the press Conference.
OBAMA birth Certificate Update of Oct 5, 09 Part 2
Part 2, of Oct. 5th, 2009, Exclusive TV coverage of the NEWS CONFERENCE after Judge David Carter appeared to be straining to top, just what he promised on Sept. 8th, a Trial a Jury would sort out different claims of Barack Obama NOT being a Natural Born Citizen, as required by ART 2, Sect. 201-5 of U.S. Constitution, and dismiss for lack of standing...
Oct 5th 2009 OBAMA Kenyan Birth Cert Trial Part 3
Final clip of the EXCLUSIVE Video TV coverage of the OBAMA Kenyan Birth Certificate Trial, and the Main stream TV media did a total AWOL, blacked out coverage to keep America from even knowing that the "Natural Born" issue of OBAMA, is hot and now.
William Wagener, gets exclusive TV footage for his TV show. Pastor Wiley DRAKE states Judge Carter, whom he has known as a tough and fair judge for 20 years, and ex Marine, has been Emasculated, done a flip flop, and been "told" to delay. Eveyln Bradley says Carter will probably dismiss, and Anita hynds calls for impeachment. William Wagener Reporting from Santa Ana, Ca.
[...say an American court has no jurisdiction over him.]
Uh, last time I checked, if you are in America then American courts have jurisdiction. Also, since he would be guilty of FRAUD in AMERICA, then the courts definitely have jurisdiction!
I’m not saying that there is “standing”, but why can’t any of these hearings get past the issue of “standing”?
It would seem to me that any citizen could sue. Purely as a hypothetical, let’s supposee that Obama had not “proven” his natural born citizen status. Why could not I, John Q Citizen, sue. It’s important to me that we abide by the Constitution. As a citizen I have a clear interest in the constitution being upheld.
“...let’s supposee that Obama had not “proven” his natural born citizen status.”
At this point he doesn’t have to. The burden is on those who maintain he ISN’T constitutionally qualified to serve; before whatever they have can be presented to a court, the plaintiff needs to have “standing”. That’s true for any case, Padre. Thus far, not has had that standing and at this point I doubt anyone does. But even if such a person exists, it is far more likely that the courts have no jurisdiction here and would abstain on the “political question” doctrine. Its a matter now for Congress, if its a matter for anyone; personally, I don’t think even Congress at this point can get involved.
Please allow me to edit this:
There is absolutely no evidence he was born anywhere
Assuming that I sued and some judge decided to look at it:
Would he conclude that I, Xzins Q Citizen, have standing simply because I care about the constitution? If I don’t have standing, then why don’t I?
“Would he conclude that I, Xzins Q Citizen, have standing simply because I care about the constitution?”
No
“If I don’t have standing, then why don’t I?”
Because you do not have any “particularized injury” on account of what some believe, but certainly have never established, is a constitutional violation.
Got it. Since no one’s PROVEN an offense, I can’t have standing to sue someone over something I can’t even demonstrate has actually happened to me.
Is that it?
you need several more twists in that noodle to be legally valid
“Is that it?”
Partly. Even if you could prove it, your injury would be no different from mine and that of every other citizen and thus you could not demonstrate particularized injury which would be a sine qua non of maintaining the action.
Who would have a particularized injury?
And why couldn’t I just be the rep in a class action suit?
From all the “how many legalisms can dance on the head of a pin” arguments, it seems as though basic Constitutional verites mean nothing now. All that matters is who the Big Dog is. And if the Big Dog became big due to fraud, lying, theft, or any other crimes, it doesn’t matter.
We have ceased, then, being citizens and are now subjects.
I agree that the evidence for Obama’s natural born status was not settled before the election.
I also agree that no one has yet proven that he is not qualified. Proof is a very solid thing, and all we have at this point is a lot of circumstantial evidence. No one has been able to put the capstone on it. Proof would require a smoking gun, and it hasn’t yet turned up.
dang, you get overtime posting for obama? How much do you cost taxpayers?
The smoking guns appear to have been tossed into the river by the perp.
I think one will eventually turn up; one way or another.
Yes, you do. Of course you do: the Constitution wasn't enshrined as an edict from some potentate, it is an agreement among the sovereign citizens of these United States.
When there has risen a legitimate question as to the eligibility of the man who won the election to the most important single office under this Constitution, it is senseless to say "all of you citizens, you have no standing to say beans about such questions." Anyone who repeats such contempt for his fellow citizens spits on every man who has taken an oath to defend this Constitution, the preamble of which reads: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I am getting tired of the courts playing "Gotcha!" with this. Saying that active duty military have no standing, saying that other presidential candidates have no standing, that every ordinary citizen must sit down and shut up, even if the occupant of the White House was born in Kenyan and admits to Kenyan citizenship, that we are to be simply be quiet. No, we have the right to ask that he show his eligibility in a forthright and unequivocal manner.
Eligible means eligible. If the Kenyan Clown won't spend the five minutes it would take to call Hawaii and have his vital records released and the twenty minutes to produce his passports current and past, then he is demonstrating marked and brazen contempt for the people of the United States. It certainly matches well his usual pattern of such hatred and contempt for this country: 20 years in Wright's church told us exactly what kind of man he is. His ridiculous ROEs in Afghanistan, his dismantling of missile defense, and his reckless charge to unilateral nuclear disarmament all are part and parcel of Barack Hussein Obama's intense desire to destroy our military and our social fabric.
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“Who would have a particularized injury?”
At this point? No one, in my opinion.
“And why couldn’t I just be the rep in a class action suit?”
A class made up of people with particularized injuries? It would be a class with no one in it, Padre.
Oooo, only heard that talking point 5 times today. How much are you paid per liars post?
ping a ding
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