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To: P-Marlowe; wmfights; Kolokotronis; jude24; blue-duncan

I’m not saying that there is “standing”, but why can’t any of these hearings get past the issue of “standing”?

It would seem to me that any citizen could sue. Purely as a hypothetical, let’s supposee that Obama had not “proven” his natural born citizen status. Why could not I, John Q Citizen, sue. It’s important to me that we abide by the Constitution. As a citizen I have a clear interest in the constitution being upheld.


42 posted on 10/09/2009 5:19:13 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

“...let’s supposee that Obama had not “proven” his natural born citizen status.”

At this point he doesn’t have to. The burden is on those who maintain he ISN’T constitutionally qualified to serve; before whatever they have can be presented to a court, the plaintiff needs to have “standing”. That’s true for any case, Padre. Thus far, not has had that standing and at this point I doubt anyone does. But even if such a person exists, it is far more likely that the courts have no jurisdiction here and would abstain on the “political question” doctrine. Its a matter now for Congress, if its a matter for anyone; personally, I don’t think even Congress at this point can get involved.


43 posted on 10/09/2009 5:26:07 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: xzins
It would seem to me that any citizen could sue. Purely as a hypothetical, let’s supposee that Obama had not “proven” his natural born citizen status. Why could not I, John Q Citizen, sue. It’s important to me that we abide by the Constitution. As a citizen I have a clear interest in the constitution being upheld.

Yes, you do. Of course you do: the Constitution wasn't enshrined as an edict from some potentate, it is an agreement among the sovereign citizens of these United States.

When there has risen a legitimate question as to the eligibility of the man who won the election to the most important single office under this Constitution, it is senseless to say "all of you citizens, you have no standing to say beans about such questions." Anyone who repeats such contempt for his fellow citizens spits on every man who has taken an oath to defend this Constitution, the preamble of which reads: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I am getting tired of the courts playing "Gotcha!" with this. Saying that active duty military have no standing, saying that other presidential candidates have no standing, that every ordinary citizen must sit down and shut up, even if the occupant of the White House was born in Kenyan and admits to Kenyan citizenship, that we are to be simply be quiet. No, we have the right to ask that he show his eligibility in a forthright and unequivocal manner.

Eligible means eligible. If the Kenyan Clown won't spend the five minutes it would take to call Hawaii and have his vital records released and the twenty minutes to produce his passports current and past, then he is demonstrating marked and brazen contempt for the people of the United States. It certainly matches well his usual pattern of such hatred and contempt for this country: 20 years in Wright's church told us exactly what kind of man he is. His ridiculous ROEs in Afghanistan, his dismantling of missile defense, and his reckless charge to unilateral nuclear disarmament all are part and parcel of Barack Hussein Obama's intense desire to destroy our military and our social fabric.

56 posted on 10/09/2009 6:29:34 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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