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Officials think S. Carolina Civil War flag found in Iowa
Cedar Rapids Gazette ^ | 10/02/2009 | AP

Posted on 10/02/2009 10:35:25 AM PDT by iowamark

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) – Researchers seem to have solved the mystery of what happened to the “Big Red” flag flown by Citadel cadets when they fired on a ship trying to resupply Fort Sumter three months before the Civil War.

The Post and Courier of Charleston reports a 10-by-7-foot flag with a large white Palmetto tree and a white crescent on a red field has been located in storage at an Iowa museum.

Researchers think it is the same flag that flew over Morris Island when cadets fired on the supply ship Star of the West, forcing the ship to turn away, in January of 1861.

The Civil War began that April with a Confederate bombardment of Union-held Sumter in Charleston Harbor.

The Citadel adopted a replica of the red flag as a spirit flag almost 20 years ago. But it was unclear what happened to the original.

A woman, who was not identified, posted information on the flag on the Internet two years ago. The Citadel Historical Council began researching and it led to the discovery of the flag at the State Historical Society of Iowa is Des Moines.

Council chairman Tex Curtis, a 1964 graduate of the state military college, calls the flag “a priceless historic artifact. It literally is The Citadel. It goes right to the beginning.”

The school is discussing bringing the flag back to Charleston from the Iowa museum on a long-term loan.

Michael O. Smith, director of the Iowa museum, said the flag was donated by a Union Civil War veteran, Willard Baker, in 1919. Baker said he got the flag in Mobile, Ala.

Researchers think the flag was taken from Charleston to Mobile by Confederate Capt. James F. Culpepper, an 1854 Citadel graduate, and fell into Baker’s hands when Union troops captured Fort Blakeley near Mobile in April 1865. Both Culpepper and Baker fought in that battle.

Smith said the flag has been in storage since 1919. He said officials knew it was from South Carolina because of the palmetto, the state symbol, but did not know the flag’s significance.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: citadel; civilwar; dixie; godsgravesglyphs
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Photo from State Historical Society of Iowa
1 posted on 10/02/2009 10:35:25 AM PDT by iowamark
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http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/oct/02/historic-find-in-a-storage-closet/
“”After seeing a photograph of the original flag, Citadel leaders now know that the replica they have been using has historical inaccuracies, Curtis said.

A committee of the school’s Board of Visitors voted Thursday to begin using the historically correct version of the flag as its “spirit flag,” and to assign intellectual property rights in “Big Red” to The Citadel Alumni Association. The full board will take a final vote on the matter today.

The flag in the Iowa museum has a red background with a large white palmetto tree in the center and an inward- facing white crescent in the upper-left corner.

The replica the school has been using has a smaller white palmetto tree on a red background, with a white outward-facing crescent in the upper-left corner. The direction of the crescent is important, Curtis said, because an inward-facing crescent was, at the time, a common symbol of secession in the Charleston area.

The fact that the flag in Iowa carries the secession symbol makes it more likely that it is the flag that flew on Morris Island, he said.””


2 posted on 10/02/2009 10:37:21 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: upchuck; SC Swamp Fox

Ping!


3 posted on 10/02/2009 10:37:54 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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To: iowamark

Spoil of war. Hang on to it, Hawkeyes.


4 posted on 10/02/2009 10:38:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: iowamark

http://media.charleston.net/2009/pdf/bigredreport_100109.pdf
Big Red Report: 22 page pdf


5 posted on 10/02/2009 10:39:23 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: iowamark

That’s pretty neat.


6 posted on 10/02/2009 10:42:37 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: iowamark

Looks to be in remarkable shape for it’s age. Great find. Thanks for posting.


7 posted on 10/02/2009 10:43:01 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Spoil of war. Hang on to it, Hawkeyes.

I'm sure that you also believe that the Germans should hang on to the art works stolen by the Nazis.

8 posted on 10/02/2009 10:47:27 AM PDT by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: iowamark

Cool


9 posted on 10/02/2009 10:48:42 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Spoil of war. Hang on to it, Hawkeyes.

Better angels..... 1st Arkansas Returns Flag of 76th Ohio
10 posted on 10/02/2009 10:50:13 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: JEC
I'm sure that you also believe that the Germans should hang on to the art works stolen by the Nazis.

There is a difference between items stolen from civilians and items won on the field of battle.

11 posted on 10/02/2009 10:51:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Spoil of war. Hang on to it, Hawkeyes.

Better Angels... N.C. Museum Returns Civil War Flag to Rhode Island
12 posted on 10/02/2009 10:55:47 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: JEC
"I'm sure that you also believe that the Germans should hang on to the art works stolen by the Nazis."

Germany didn't win the war, therefore the spoils of war would belong to the Allies.

13 posted on 10/02/2009 11:00:05 AM PDT by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: Arkinsaw
For decades, visitors to the statehouse in Des Moines could have a close look (inside a glass cabinet) at Iowa civil war flags. About 15 years ago, it was discovered that the flags were beginning to rot. The flags were removed and repaired.
14 posted on 10/02/2009 11:01:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: JEC

Given that the Palmetto State started the war, it would seem that to give it back would be more akin to delivering a swastika flag to Germany. My gggrandfather fought in the 10th Iowa and took a miniball from a rebel in Vicksburg so I consider the flag to have been earned. Go Hawkeyes.


15 posted on 10/02/2009 11:05:52 AM PDT by DryFly
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping!


16 posted on 10/02/2009 11:06:00 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: Arkinsaw

The Hawkeyes would be happy to give it back to the Gamecocks.


17 posted on 10/02/2009 11:07:01 AM PDT by dnandell (I don't need no stinkin' tagline)
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To: DryFly

I too have an ancestor who fought for the Union at Vicksburg.


18 posted on 10/02/2009 11:09:46 AM PDT by dnandell (I don't need no stinkin' tagline)
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To: JEC

Well, ask your slaves.

So much for stupid comparisons.

It is quite a coup for the museum though. Hopefully it will spark renewed interest in American history.


19 posted on 10/02/2009 11:09:46 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: iowamark

I say give the flag back, The Citadel is a good school and upholds the finest traditions of a war college. They produce officers and gentlemen, not just college graduates. This thing could be like a holy relic to them.


20 posted on 10/02/2009 11:30:39 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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