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Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab
New Scientist ^

Posted on 06/10/2008 12:07:34 PM PDT by mnehring

A major evolutionary innovation has unfurled right in front of researchers' eyes. It's the first time evolution has been caught in the act of making such a rare and complex new trait.

And because the species in question is a bacterium, scientists have been able to replay history to show how this evolutionary novelty grew from the accumulation of unpredictable, chance events.

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To: allmendream

Well, in reverse order, I don’t depend on a translation. I’ve been reading the Bible in Hebrew and Greek for >30 years.

For the other, it’s my best deduction from the line of genealogies that pretty much start with the first couple, and continue to more surely-datable figures like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

And finally, to be useful, most things would have had to be created at some point of maturity. Or else little embryo Adam would have had a short, unhappy life.


81 posted on 06/10/2008 2:01:45 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: mnehrling

What of `ereb and boqer, evening and morning?


82 posted on 06/10/2008 2:02:24 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: MrB

Give me a reason to think there’s a point to my doing your homework for you, and I will. Seriously.


83 posted on 06/10/2008 2:02:24 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: dan1123
Everything I said was accurate.

The 2% genetic difference (you said 1.5%) is exactly that; a difference in our GENETIC DNA, i.e. A 1.5-2% difference in our genes. I also included the 6% genomic difference, that includes non genetic DNA regions and DNA regions.

So over our entire genome we are 94% the same as a chimp. In the part of our DNA that codes for proteins we are 98% the same.

6% is “Vastly different”? And how do you know it is the “control code”? So far they have assigned something less than 3% of our genome as nonmagnetic “junk” DNA that might have a function; as indicated entirely by its EVOLUTIONARY conservation (i.e. it doesn't change between closely related species at the expected neutral mutation rate, but instead changes at the rate one would expect of genetic DNA - and it has putatively been assigned a function; no such function has yet been discovered for this 3% of the genome). So even the “control code” DNA (if it is indeed such) would be the same divergence between us and chimps as our genomic DNA, 1.5 to 2%.

84 posted on 06/10/2008 2:02:58 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: shineon
Be patient with the bacteria. Pretty soon they will grow into more bacteria.

Bacteria seem to be rather slow learners. You have to give 'em a few million years.

85 posted on 06/10/2008 2:04:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: megatherium
So the Exodus may have happened, but archeology is unable to verify that it did.

Oh, then never mind. I thought maybe they would have found some footprints in the desert or something. Maybe even a broken twig or something. Ah well. C'est la vie

86 posted on 06/10/2008 2:04:19 PM PDT by shineon
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To: mnehrling

Isn’t this how some really good horror movies start?


87 posted on 06/10/2008 2:05:03 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BibChr; shineon

So the Catholic or Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Ethiopian)Bibles - all of which contain different books AND pre-date the Protestant Bible - are fallible and not correct? Martin Luther and the early reformers were given the updated Bible by God in the early 1500s?

And for the Hebrew Canon, are we to cover the Palestinian or Alexandrian Canon?


88 posted on 06/10/2008 2:06:11 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Crazieman
Explain to me the precambrian explosion please

Poor fossil evidence and worse dating available. There may not have been a cambrian (not precambrian) explosion

89 posted on 06/10/2008 2:07:18 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Crazieman
Explain to me the precambrian explosion please

Poor fossil evidence and worse dating available. There may not have been a cambrian (not precambrian) explosion

90 posted on 06/10/2008 2:07:28 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: BibChr

Because I’ve never read a verse or analysis that states that Genesis is to be read as a literal history,

and plenty, from a guy that knows more than either of us (Hank Hanegraaff) stating otherwise - Genesis and Revelation are allegorical.

I’ve learned long ago that “it’s in the Bible somewhere” isn’t an effective argument, even among those with a Biblical worldview.

I don’t think you can back up your assertion that Moses, Jesus and Paul stated that Genesis is a literal history.


91 posted on 06/10/2008 2:07:57 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Isn’t this how some really good horror movies start?


92 posted on 06/10/2008 2:08:28 PM PDT by shineon
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To: BibChr

Sorry, but the God I believe in doesn’t lie. The “already aged Universe” is a lie. The sky shows us the explosions of long dead stars that never actually existed if the universe was only a few thousand years old, the entire stream of light culminating in an explosion would be a lie, an indication of a star that never actually existed.

Your theology is indistinguishable from “Last Thursday-ism”.


93 posted on 06/10/2008 2:09:41 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: MrB
Guess you haven’t heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls which independently verify the content and the history of when the Bible was written.

Huh?, the scrolls are VERY incomplete and offer litlle about original dates. Most Biblical scholars believe Genesis was compiled (and borrowed) during the Babylonian exile.

94 posted on 06/10/2008 2:14:47 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: GunRunner
Look up Quirinius in the Gospel of Luke, that’s a good start.

Your supposed error is just a poor translation - see here.

95 posted on 06/10/2008 2:16:30 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: BibChr
...I don’t depend on a translation. I’ve been reading the Bible in Hebrew and Greek for >30 years.

Do the Hebrew and Greek translations shed light on the condradicting genealogies of Joseph in Matthew and Luke?

Most of the names are different on each list, and Matthew has Jesus and Joseph decsending from David through Sol, and through Nathan in the book of Luke.

96 posted on 06/10/2008 2:16:58 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: mnehrling

If you can’t tell something as simple as what “day” means in the Bible, how do you claim to have a clue about complex things like the Trinity?


97 posted on 06/10/2008 2:19:55 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: mnehrling

Did it become a virus, or a bird?


98 posted on 06/10/2008 2:20:20 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: MrB; BibChr
There is no reason for a consistent and Good Creator to leave evidence of a very OLD earth when it isn't true.

Speaking of creation, how old would Adam have appeared? From the account, he was a full grown man - not an infant.

What do you suspect would be the appearance of a created full-grown planet/solar system/universe?

99 posted on 06/10/2008 2:25:44 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Nope; your information is incorrect. Same Bible Jesus and the apostles confirmed retrospectively, and Jesus prospectively. And yes, the Roman Catholic and Orthodox church are wrong about a lot of things. I know that because of what the Bible teaches.


100 posted on 06/10/2008 2:27:00 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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