Posted on 06/09/2008 1:00:14 PM PDT by Borges
Melbourne, June 9: A paraplegic man was recently denied a church marriage by a bishop in Italy because he was impotent, say reports.
The 26-year-old man ultimately had to go for a civil marriage on Saturday in Viterbo.
"No bishop, no priest can celebrate a wedding when he knows of admitted impotence as it is a motive for annulment (of the marriage),'' the Australian quoted Salvatore de Ciuco, spokesman for Bishop Lorenzo Chiarinelli of Viterbo in central Italy, as telling SkyTG24 television.
The groom has been paraplegic since he was involved in a car accident, said the television report.
His fiancee was aware of his impotency, the report added.
The curate of the parish, who was banned from marrying the couple, was present at their civil ceremony.
Catholics do not believe that the Popes themselves have any intrinsic infallibility.
They believe that the Papal office invests its holders with a conditional gift of infallibility in very specific and constrained circumstances.
No Pope has ever altered any doctrine the Church teaches. This is an impossibility - the Pope has no authority to change any teaching.
So the very idea that the Catholic church somehow is protecting the immutable word of the Supreme Being of the Universe is poppycock on its face.
And yet the Church endures, consistently teaching the same Gospel truths for two thousand years unbroken and unbowed.
Popes married, sometimes having multiple wives in their lifetimes.
No Pope has ever married. Some married men have been made Pope, but no Pope has ever entered into matrimony after being consecrated.
For hundreds of years the Catholic Church condoned prostitution.
Completely and utterly false.
But to say he's carrying out the will of the Almighty is patently absurd.
Only if you believe that Jesus Christ was absurd.
Sorry you are misinformed. Infallibility only applies to the teaching of moral doctrines. It does not include his opinions or his transgressions.
That was the sin/ mistakes of men, But at least the Catholic Church is now addressing them, unlike your group that won't even compile a central data base, just so they can avoid prosecution and law suits.
Holy Spirit guide you folks to that.
BTW thanks for proving you don't read the Bible since you don't know the difference between Onan, and Odin.
Impotence is not the same thing as sterility. The Church uses the ability to consummate as the grounds for a marriage.
They may WISH the person wasn't just as they wish they could have a walk along the beach or in the woods. Don't talk about where you have not walked. I am not jumping for joy about what happened to my wife and wish it never happened but it did and that's life. We still have a great life together.
Again I point you to Joni Tada as a great example of what I am talking about. I don't need a Bishop to tell me if I have a happy marriage or not. I know I do. We have our ups and downs like all married persons do but the love and dedication is there. We are closer than most couples BECAUSE of what we have faced together. Because of what we faced together our faith is also stronger. I don't want another woman. I could have likely had several other to choose from before I married my current wife. She was the one I was led to thgrough prayer, through members of my church, and through The Holy Spirit.
Christ commanded we love one another not bed down one another. Argh the ignorance and prejudices shown on this matter is astounding.
Say what? His sin was disobiedence because he was told to give his brothers wife a child. Had he done the required deed and later spilled his seed in a river afterward it would have not mattered. Spilling hisd seed on the ground was not the sin. Refusing to do as he was told however was please learn the huge difference.
And they wonder why the Church is dying in the Western World. 1/3 of Americans raised in the Church wind up leaving it, per Pew.
HA HA HA HA!!!
To be fair, most of what's in the bible OR the magisterium is supernatural hocus pocus that is contradictory or cannot be proven physically.
Well as for the birth control? Lets see now we were told two things. First carrying to full term may have killed her if she became pregnat by some small chance as many quads are left infertile. Second was the issue of her medications severly deforming or killing the child. Now if pregnancy had happened we would have excepted the risk and hoped for the best. But to prevent the risk someone got snipped. That too is against the Canon. But the Canon is mans laws not GOD’s. The Bible is GOD’s Word and not the Canon.
Cool band name ...
Hmmm, so does this mean that priests, who are not supposed to have children, are sterilized so that won’t happen?
Plus, according to the Catholic Church, Mary was a virgin all her life and was married to Joseph, so could they have been married in a Catholic Church? I think not.
I am a Catholic, do not believe Mary remained a virgin because she did have a husband after the birth of Jesus.
Actually, the only church I have to adhere to is the church of Jesus Christ which is His Heavenly Church. Man made earthly churches are full of mistakes and I don’t concern myself with their mistakes. Jesus can do whatever He wants with those churches.
No you are not a Catholic, you may call yourself one, but you left the Church when you stopped believing her dogmatic teachings.
A church making second class citizens out of persons because of their physical disabilities is not love, it is not compassion, it is not even Christ like, It is WRONG! Whom did Chrit go to first? The sick, the lame, the afflicted by skin disorders, the blind, the deaf. How dare any church turn such as these away. It has not love but the Law and so by the law shall it be judged.
The Catholic Church disagrees: In Catholic theology, papal infallibility is the dogma that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error[1] when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the Church a dogmatic teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation.
No Pope has ever altered any doctrine the Church teaches. This is an impossibility - the Pope has no authority to change any teaching.
So Galileo really as wrong and the sun revolves around the Earth?
No Pope has ever married.
Never heard of St. Peter?
Pope Sergius III (904–911) was supposedly the father of Pope John XI by Marozia (Source: Liber Pontificalis, Liutprand of Cremona).
Pope John XII (955–963) (deposed by Conclave) was said to have turned the Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano into a brothel and was accused of adultery, fornication, and incest (Source: Patrologia Latina).
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047–1048) was said to have conducted a very dissolute life during his papacy.
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a notably long affair with Vannozza dei Cattanei before his papacy, by whom he had his famous illegitimate children Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. He fathered a total of at least seven, and possibly as many as ten illegitimate children.[14] (Also see Banquet of Chestnuts.)
As far as the Catholic church condoning prostitution, I suggest you familiarize yourself with St. Thomas Aquinas words on the subject.
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Guess you’d have to talk to my priest at the time who was my instructor as he had no problem with my logic. I was also a lector at that church.
I used to think like you, If you are interested in a serious unemotional discussion let me know.
Give me his name, your name and the name of your bishop. We will have this straightened out by the end of the week.
You won't be the first I have had to do this with and I am certain you won't be the last.
I know enough to know it is wrong on this matter.
I used to think like you, If you are interested in a serious unemotional discussion let me know.
Then think about this as well. Even the first Pope had to be shown the errors of his way. BTW Peter was a hot head by most accounts. It may even surprise you to know I have defended the RC Church before from some who said the Pope and all in it were going to hell. I can show you as much in FR Mail because it was on another forum if you wish.
I see absolutely no purpose in placing yet more laws {burdens} upon mankind or the church as the man failed to be able to live within them just as even quite a few Priest can not today. Thus the reason a Savior was given us.
It's interesting I read in this thread that one reason they should not marry is because the spouse would be tempted and possibly have sex outside the marriage as the temptation would be so great or to that effect. Yet the church requires both Nun and Priest to take vows of Celibacy in order to serve in their capacity? Peter was married that is mentioned in the Bible. See a double standard here? A Priest is not above temptation of sin anymore than that mans wife would be. Nor is he anymore able to overcome it as he too is human. The difference? She would not be lonely as her husband would be her companion. I don't miss sex as such. I do miss the walks though as we shared a lot of common interest we were just beginning to enjoy with each other.
I want to take this to another thing you nor anyone else has mentioned.
It is for all practical purposes physically possible for a woman quadriplegic to have sex even as defined in the Canon. No I'm not making it up. It can at some point though due to sensory damage become so painful it must cease. That may or may not happen. Think about it. Some paraplegic men can have sex and even some quads as well. So is there another double standard here that a man can marry a quad woman because in theory she can have sex and in theory may be able to have a child? The Church is placing way too much importance on this issue as in most marriages it will be a short lived issue over the life of the marriage anyway.
At least a few former Popes could not uphold the Canon Laws of Celibacy themselves as a poster pointed out. Yet like another stated as well which is true Paul stated better to marry than burn. The burn is not a physical manifestation but a spiritual one here on earth a condition of unnecessary misery. In other words why be miserable the rest of your life in want of a female companion?
I doubt you have ever thought like me. I am no longer a slave to the Law but rather my pardon was purchased and I was set free from it's curse. All things are lawful for me but not all things are expedient. I can drink a glass of wine for example and do me no harm. But getting drunk is a sin and not very wise either. I am also distinguishing between Law and Commandments. The Commandments we are required to obey including the ones Christ gave us in the NT. The law however has been fulfilled. It was done 2000 years ago on a cross. The sacrifice was excepted by GOD and our Salvation comes from that Lambs very Blood and not by keeping the laws.
If we could keep the laws to achieve salvation then Christ would not have came and died for us. Christ showed us the real way. He fulfilled the laws for us. It is simple. So simple even a child can find it and not be required to be bogged down in learning laws or years of learning church dogma.
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The Word of God says that marriage requires the ability of each spouse to partake in the unitive aspect of the sacrament, at minimum.
The bishop is merely passing the Word along.
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It could also be argued, the clergy only claim to speak for God. There is no proof they are in direct communication with God.
What I believe God wants from me, is for me to be kind to people. So, I listen, but I don’t criticize people.
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