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To: cva66snipe
You don't have a clue about my background and you know little if anything of the Catholic Church.

I used to think like you, If you are interested in a serious unemotional discussion let me know.

157 posted on 06/11/2008 6:05:14 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga
You don't have a clue about my background and you know little if anything of the Catholic Church.

I know enough to know it is wrong on this matter.

I used to think like you, If you are interested in a serious unemotional discussion let me know.

Then think about this as well. Even the first Pope had to be shown the errors of his way. BTW Peter was a hot head by most accounts. It may even surprise you to know I have defended the RC Church before from some who said the Pope and all in it were going to hell. I can show you as much in FR Mail because it was on another forum if you wish.

I see absolutely no purpose in placing yet more laws {burdens} upon mankind or the church as the man failed to be able to live within them just as even quite a few Priest can not today. Thus the reason a Savior was given us.

It's interesting I read in this thread that one reason they should not marry is because the spouse would be tempted and possibly have sex outside the marriage as the temptation would be so great or to that effect. Yet the church requires both Nun and Priest to take vows of Celibacy in order to serve in their capacity? Peter was married that is mentioned in the Bible. See a double standard here? A Priest is not above temptation of sin anymore than that mans wife would be. Nor is he anymore able to overcome it as he too is human. The difference? She would not be lonely as her husband would be her companion. I don't miss sex as such. I do miss the walks though as we shared a lot of common interest we were just beginning to enjoy with each other.

I want to take this to another thing you nor anyone else has mentioned.

It is for all practical purposes physically possible for a woman quadriplegic to have sex even as defined in the Canon. No I'm not making it up. It can at some point though due to sensory damage become so painful it must cease. That may or may not happen. Think about it. Some paraplegic men can have sex and even some quads as well. So is there another double standard here that a man can marry a quad woman because in theory she can have sex and in theory may be able to have a child? The Church is placing way too much importance on this issue as in most marriages it will be a short lived issue over the life of the marriage anyway.

At least a few former Popes could not uphold the Canon Laws of Celibacy themselves as a poster pointed out. Yet like another stated as well which is true Paul stated better to marry than burn. The burn is not a physical manifestation but a spiritual one here on earth a condition of unnecessary misery. In other words why be miserable the rest of your life in want of a female companion?

I doubt you have ever thought like me. I am no longer a slave to the Law but rather my pardon was purchased and I was set free from it's curse. All things are lawful for me but not all things are expedient. I can drink a glass of wine for example and do me no harm. But getting drunk is a sin and not very wise either. I am also distinguishing between Law and Commandments. The Commandments we are required to obey including the ones Christ gave us in the NT. The law however has been fulfilled. It was done 2000 years ago on a cross. The sacrifice was excepted by GOD and our Salvation comes from that Lambs very Blood and not by keeping the laws.

If we could keep the laws to achieve salvation then Christ would not have came and died for us. Christ showed us the real way. He fulfilled the laws for us. It is simple. So simple even a child can find it and not be required to be bogged down in learning laws or years of learning church dogma.

159 posted on 06/11/2008 7:11:22 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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