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Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys
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Sun68 = didn’t see your post before I duplicated it, sorry
anyone have access to a copy of the revised birth cert? Number of children (2); number of children living (at time of Danielynn’s birth (1) (!) has this been revised also?
What is HK's history with Kapoor?
How many faxes has KH sent to Kapoor, 'you dont know me but..."? one time thing, always sent faxes that way? cya?
Birthdrugs may not be testable in a baby six months old, but both the nannies claim the baby ws routinely drugged thru Dec '06. Has a hair/nail test been done on the Baby since LB got visits? Why not? Why no court order? Wouldn't it be beneficial to do it now, before returning to the USA pediatrician? (time for drug to disappear) Sense of 'urgency' ?
Why no media on HK's P.I. ? nothing to find positive for HK?
any media on the Shelley's hiring of homicide lawyer to investigate?
documents from Rales office to confirm fax was sent wrong date? surely not the only fax sent that day from a law office?
Dr. Perper stated that there was 'no evidence of long-term drug abuse' Shelleys stated in Xmas 05 (six weeks)Anna had no drugs at all on her that they saw. How can one go from 'no drugs' to addicted by Feb 14th preg test, to 'detox' Apr (still not confirmed as detox?), then few drugs in May-Aug, no drugs/Methadone (abuse, not use) early Aug (shelleys) to "drug addict" Sep 7th?
no media on Annas' bloodwork Sep 4/5/6/7/8?
Why no physiological evidence of Anna consuming '1800 pills' between Jan and Feb 8th? Who was taking the pills instead? (only therapeutic levels in autopsy) Why only 3 or 4 tabs of Cipro, when Anna had been seriously ill approx 7 days? (I am making the assumption Anna was ill frm Fri (fax date), up to 7 days before her death) (cipro levels very minimal?) Why no orders for anyone else to drug test?
Sweet dreams....
Goodnight Doc!
Dannielynn Documented, Going Home with Dad
by Natalie Finn
Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:49:05 PM PDT
After waiting this long, a little Bahamian bureaucracy sure wasn’t going to keep Larry Birkhead from taking his baby girl home.
The doting dad today secured a temporary passport for seven-month-old Dannielynn, E! News has learned, and the duo is due back in the United States as early as Tuesday. The 34-year-old newly minted father of one will be taking his daughter to his hometown of Louisville, Kentucky.
Calling it the most expensive picture he ever took, in light of the lengthy legal battle he was forced to wage just to be declared Dannielynn’s biological daddy, Birkhead snapped his daughter’s passport pic himself, per MSNBC.
To expedite the process, the Los Angeles-based photographer obtained a revised birth certificate for her last Friday—one listing him, rather than Howard K. Stern, as the father and changing the child’s last name to Birkhead.
Dannielynn’s arrival on U.S. soil will mark the end of a pretty twisted era, one that, despite all the turmoil, she won’t even remember.
Anna Nicole Smith’s second child was born in the Bahamas on Sept. 7, and Stern had been caring for her there since her mom’s sudden death from an accidental prescription-drug overdose on Feb. 8.
Earlier this month, a DNA test determined that Birkhead was the baby’s father and Stern vowed not to stand in their way, saying he planned to remain in the Bahamas, where Smith and her 20-year-old son Daniel are buried. Daniel, the only child from her first marriage to Billy Wayne Smith, died three days after Dannielynn’s birth.
Despite a last-ditch attempt from Smith’s estranged mother, Virgie Arthur, to keep the father-daughter duo in the Bahamas until further custody matters were hammered out, a three-judge panel gave Birkhead the go-ahead to leave on Friday. A final custody hearing is scheduled for June 8.
In the meantime, Birkhead will be busy adjusting to being with child.
“It’s a lot of heartache,” he told Entertainment Tonight regarding the ordeal that has led up to this moment. “It’s a struggle to get to where you can actually have those moments to celebrate…I think everyone thinks because they see me waving birth certificates or jumping up out of court, it’s all fun, but it’s not.”
“I’m just getting ready to be a dad,” he said. “Officially, on my own soil.”
But although, by heading to Kentucky, he’s avoiding the glare of Hollywood for now, Birkhead’s datebook is certainly not devoid of high-profile events.
One of his first stops will be the site of his and Smith’s first meeting, the Barnstable Brown Gala. At the annual charity fundraiser, which precedes the running of the Kentucky Derby, Birkhead will rub elbows with the likes of Jimmy Fallon, Jenny McCarthy, Vanessa Minnillo, Jerry O’Connell, Joey Fatone, Nick Lachey, Bill O’Reilly, Raquel Welch, Kid Rock, Chad Michael Murray, Terry O’Quinn, Jewel, Jason Lewis, Travis Tritt, the Dixie Chicks’ Emily Robison and Tom Brady.
Birkhead made Smith’s acquaintance at the 2004 edition of the event.
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=765b4b20-0387-49cc-973c-faaf3183e3f7
Sissy Howard K Stern in the drag!!! Howard refused to have sex with Anna this Pic shows why!
http://mrcontroversy.com/
You raise MANY appropriate questions. I’m only responding to one, “Birthdrugs may not be testable in a baby six months old, but both the nannies claim the baby ws routinely drugged thru Dec ‘06. Has a hair/nail test been done on the Baby since LB got visits? Why not? Why no court order? Wouldn’t it be beneficial to do it now, before returning to the USA pediatrician? (time for drug to disappear) Sense of ‘urgency’”
Yes indeed there should be a sense of urgency since DL is in the continual presence of a person, HKS, who is engaged in a defacto co-parent-ship with LB. HKS is of concern b/c he is 1) a person with probable drug addiction problems (based on all KE’s prescriptions for him back in Jan, he should have to prove that at this point he’s clean);he is (2) a prime person of interest in an inquest where one person died of drug OD; he was (3) the manager or S.O of the child’s mother at the time of her death from unclear overdosage circumstances; and who has (4) been implicated in the previous drugging of the said child.
Also there is urgency b/c there is the likelihood of time and possibly HKS destroying any evidence of DL’s having received drugs. At this moment DL’s hair and nails are now almost 6mos out from the nannies’ alleged drugging.
If HKS were to shave DL’shead - could use the excuse of lice (?), the hidden follicular hair, as a repository of drug evidence, would only date back 2-6 weeks (from follicle to scalp). In that case, without the long growth, a sample after today (if for example he shaved it today)would only reveal what drugs DL might have been given from approximately April 1 forward. Similar for nails, but an even shorter time frame, infact her nail ends - the parts that are trimmable are probably a manifestation of what was going on 3-6 mos ago at this point and it will get more and more useless after this point in time.
Although Virgie’s actions were not ‘popular’ with the public and media, I never thought she was doing it for money. First of all, as ANS’s mother, she could have been making (and taking) money off her daughter for years, but she didn’t. Even estranged, she could have sold pictures of ANS (and Daniel, for that matter) and could have written a TELL ALL book about Anna, but she didn’t. I believe that MOST people her age have experienced enough of life to be able to view ‘money’ with perspective. In this case, Virgie probably has more perspective that most people, because she has ‘lived it’ and has ‘seen the consequences of it’ as ANS’s mother. The good thing about life (especially a long life) is that it teaches MOST of us to put things in perspective. The longer you live, the more you realize what is truly important in life, like love, family, good friends, good health, good food, good times, etc. You also realize that money cannot buy those things. I just feel inclined to believe Virgie knows this, and her aim is NOT TO PROFIT OFF HER DAUGHTER AND GRANDSON’S DEATHS. I believe her aim is to ‘impart’ the good things in life to her granddaughter, Dannielynn (with the highest hopes that she does not lose her way, like ANS did).
That is just my ‘gut feeling’ about Virgie’s actions. If I am wrong, I will be very sad and will be more than willing to admit it. I believe she does feel guilt about many of the things Anna may have gone through growing up, and for not always being there for her in her formative years (because she was working or whatever). I believe she thinks she failed Anna (as a parent) and wants more than anything to SUCCEED at being a GRANDMOTHER and a positive part of Dannielynn’s life. I also believe that she does not want custody of Dannielynn (regardless of what John O’Quinn says), and she wants co-guardianship or co-trustee status, ONLY to protect Dannielynn (not for her own financial gain). Think about this: Virgie didn’t insinuate herself into Anna’s financial affairs, even when Virgie was taking care of Daniel. I have seen no evidence that Virgie ever ‘tried to be Anna’s manager’ or told Anna ‘she would invest some money for her’, or anything of that nature. I realize that when ANS was with J. Howard Marshall, HIS PEOPLE (financial advisors, lawyers, etc.) took care of the money, but as her mother, Virgie could have easily offered ‘to invest some money for her to put back for Daniel’ or something like that, and I have just never heard or read anything of that nature. The only thing I have read is that Anna let her aunt and family either live in one of her houses or the ranch, but nothing about Virgie.
MAN, you were RIGHT ON with that one! I didn’t see the whole segment on NG with Perper, but I saw the last part of it. NG was asking Perper how hard it would be to get DNA if only bones were found, and he never really answered. Then, she asked him again, and he said they could get DNA if there was ‘bone marrow’ present, and if they had dental X-rays (I think), that they could compare the “jaw bones”, bc jaw bones are different in different people (or something like that, I’m not sure that is exactly what he said). Then, NG asked Perper about ‘hair’ and he said that if there was a hair follicle, or marrow, or soft tissue, they could get DNA....but then he said (in his annoying accent)..”From vhat I understand Nancy, naathing has beeen recovered en theese two days”!!
So typical of Perper, his concern is NOT about DNA ANALYSIS or anything to do with a MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OPINION or perspective!!! Even when he is asked medical questions that would pertain to his job as a medical examiner, he PREFERS to answer as if he is a DETECTIVE on the case or a CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY!! I mean, NG did NOT ASK HIM IF OR WHAT EVIDENCE HAD BEEN FOUND! She asked him about obtaining DNA from OLD forensic evidence. YET, he felt the need to INFORM everyone that he did not believe any evidence had been found during the 2 day search of the VDS property!! First of all, HOW THE HELL DOES HE KNOW NOTHING WAS FOUND??? Did the NKLP hire Perper for the Natalee Holloway case, or is Perper just the ‘Go to’ guy (ME Expert) when a murder needs to be COVERED UP??
BTW, I havent’t looked at any of Perper’s other cases, but I wonder how many cases he has been involved with that were actual murder cases, ‘possible’ murder cases, or ‘undetermined cause of death’ cases? I guess I need to look into that, especially since he is NOW a “Nancy Grace EXPERT correspondent” and he seems to REVEL in his 15 and 1/2 minutes of fame!!”
I can’t believe we were told that he is a TOP-NOTCH, WELL-RESPECTED, blah, blah, blah in his field!! Apparently, being a Medical Examiner is pretty POLITICAL job and ‘accommodating’ people with DEEP pockets is a good part of the job (if you want to become rich and famous!!)! I don’t trust them at all, bc if you think about it, THEY HAVE THE LAST SAY..usually...not a good checks and balances system, esp IF you are working with a small group of ‘officials’, or a group that is good at greasing palms! Not that I think all ME’s are bad, but I just see a lot of leeway there, even in high profile cases where more than one doctor is doing the autopsy....If you were Dr. Perper’s underling (or even a contemporary, for that matter) and he TOLD YOU something had already been done or checked, would you dispute him??
Thanks for the ping to that post - good interview with Virgie I think - finally!
Will be interesting, no doubt. Wonder which “Anna” will show up on the tapes?
“”I can’t believe we were told that he is a TOP-NOTCH, WELL-RESPECTED, blah, blah, blah in his field!! “”
I agree. Clearly Perper has more ambition than ability. What a schocky “expert!”
Good to read - will not be excited about if Sterntoad goes with him. So once you know, ping me again, ok? I have a meeting tomorrow night so I won’t be here at the NG hour...but will watch the rerun.
I’m curious to know what would happen if HKS, along with LB and DL (either tomorrow or anytime before May 22nd), left the Bahamas. If Larry does not return (with or without Dannielynn) on May 22nd, it should not make any difference, although Larry was scheduled as a witness; Larry was ‘estranged’ (don’t you love THAT word) from Daniel and ANS before and after Daniel died. Larry was not present in the 5 or 6 months prior to Daniel’s death, and he was not present afterwards, and I believe his testimony was to be voluntary anyway.
However, I was under the impression (and thought I read or heard somewhere) that HKS was ordered to stay in the Bahamas (right after the Bahamas issued the order for Dannielynn to stay in the Bahamas), so that he WOULD be AVAILABLE for Daniel’s Inquest! Did anyone else hear this or remember it?
If HKS is able to leave the Bahamas and does not return on May 22nd, will the Inquest go forward WITHOUT HKS??
I KNOW HKS stated he was NOT LEAVING the Bahamas, BC HE WOULD NEVER LEAVE ANNA AND DANIEL ALONE, BUT if he is actually able to leave and DOES LEAVE, what happens with the Inquest (especially if he does not return)??
That brings up another question I have. What if HKS, Larry, and DL return to CA and live together (or not live together but HKS is still in DL’s life), what would happen if drugs were found in her system? What if HKS had babysat DL for a night and then he left town for a week? And during that time, someone alerted CPS that Dannielynn was ‘being given’ or ‘exposed’ to drugs, and when they tested her it was positive! Did HKS give her drugs during a very random and short-term visit with her or did Larry give her drugs (and therefore, he probably DOES on a regular basis)???
This is just ONE of the MANY REASONS that I would NEVER have HKS around Dannielynn, if I were Larry!!!!!!!!!!!!
“”This is just ONE of the MANY REASONS that I would NEVER have HKS around Dannielynn, if I were Larry”””
I’m beginning to see a pattern with LB. He sets up train wrecks or maybe more accurately sits on the tracks long enough to get hit and then claims victimhood. Worked with the Judds, with ANS, and now. . .
btt
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